re: Fall Camp Has Ended - The season is upon us

Having to do that should be telling enough that Kiehl should not be starting. If you have confidence issues, you have no business playing QB

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Im not trying to be a negatiger. But, every year at the beginning of fall practice, we always get the same stories. And I love to hear them but I will believe them on Aug 31st

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Yeah I agree with this. Anything one player says about another, I take with a big grain of salt.

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Yeah I agree with this. Anything one player says about another, I take with a big grain of salt.

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I won't disagree with that. I just don't ever remember a time a player came out and said much more than...."we're starting to come along a little better" or "we're improving every day," that type of talk.

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I remember players saying more than that the past couple years. But you never know with my memory.

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I remember those quotes from last year

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This is basically what I was getting at. We have heard how great things were going and how it was a new attitude. And that is exactly what they should be saying

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I'm referring to specific quotes about performance on the field, not the new attitude thing. You hear that just about every year.

I don't ever remember hearing anyone say the quarterbacks look "amazing," "spectacular," etc.

And it's definitely possible that he had lower expectations after the shite show that was our offense last year, and two new QB's coming in that they'd never had a real practice with. I can only hope it's true, but I'll wait and see what kind of product is put on the field before I engage fap mode.

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Players and writers, yeah. I hadn't heard anything about KF being close to the front runner.

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Players do not equal coaches. I was told before last year that in fall camp, Jonathan Wallace and Mosely were hands down outperforming Frazier and posted such on this board. I heard it from players and they could see it clear as day. Sometimes the coaches think they see glimpses of hope and are stubborn. IDK. Point being, writers and players oftentimes have no idea what is going to happen. If you had a true reflection of who is performing and who isn't, (at least under Chizik) from the players, our starting lineups would be completely different

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Then why list him and Wallace as co-starters?

Marshall is going to win this job, no doubt

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They brough NM in to compete but that doesn't mean Frazier wasn't the leader out of spring. If they named him starter before NM got on campus people would have gone crazy. Especially after his horrible spring game.

I am not saying that Frazier is starter or that he even will be starter, it is just my understanding that Gus has a lot of hope and faith in his ability to turn around Keihl's confidence (what they think is wrong) and that his understanding of the offense's foundation puts him ahead gonig into fall camp. Huge factor that will play out is how they view NM's leadership and ethics though.


I truly believe from the reports that it is hard to imagine NM not winning the starting job. Doesn't matter what the feelings were from the onset, players believe in him and his athleticism is clearly off the charts. He is a game changer. I just wouldn't count KF outI wouldn't normally post this if I heard it from one person because that is some pretty heavy stuff to take at their word but I have heard it from two guys. I have heard my earlier info from two unrelated sources that have been solid before.

I think it ends up like this:

1) Nick Marshall
2) Jonathan Wallace
3) Kiehl Frazier
4) Jeremy Johnson (redshirt)

I would just rather not start a QB who is, at best, 50-50 on hitting a damn screen pass. Frazier tries to aim it instead of just throwing it because his accuracy is awful and he knows it. Missing easy throws is what is going to keep Frazier from really challenging for the job IMO

I think we all felt pretty good about KF after the Clemson game. He showed signs of being a solid, stick your foot in the ground and make a strong throw-QB. He had a few overthrows but nothing outrageous.

After that, he could never build on the positives and the negatives just overcame him.

I guess we'll see soon enough.

At practice, the defense lined up in a double star formation. Players lined up were:

DL:
Kenneth Carter
Gabe Wright
Angelo Blackson
Dee Ford

LB:
Kris Frost

Star:
Justin Garrett
Robenson Therezie

S:
Whitehead
Holsey

CB:
Davis
Mincy

Edit: beat to it.