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Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:18 pm
Did our coaches go counter culture against what they have been preaching since day one?
We have heard 1-0 and 4th and 1 mindset since the hiring.
On the two chances we had in the game we went against our preached mentality.
4 and 1 we kicked the FG. 4th and 2 regardless of the options on the call we threw a fade. Not saying either was the wrong call just saying did the coaches go against what they are trying to establish as a culture.
I said kick it in the game thread. So not questioning the call just questioning if it’s the right call for long term culture.
We have heard 1-0 and 4th and 1 mindset since the hiring.
On the two chances we had in the game we went against our preached mentality.
4 and 1 we kicked the FG. 4th and 2 regardless of the options on the call we threw a fade. Not saying either was the wrong call just saying did the coaches go against what they are trying to establish as a culture.
I said kick it in the game thread. So not questioning the call just questioning if it’s the right call for long term culture.
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:31 pm to CorchJay
I see what you’re saying but that fade isn’t counter culture. That play was as much coaching with reckless abandon as it would be going for it on 4th down. That play was against the odds (literally) and really I don’t know why you’re it including it here. I thought that play was too advanced to be used by our personnel in a do or die fashion. A Clemson “pick” play would’ve worked.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:35 pm to jangalang
4th and 1 mentality to me mean on 4th and short which 2 yards is short means we are gonna line up and whip your tail at the line of scrimmage. That’s why I included the goal line play.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 10:59 pm to CorchJay
Sure I want our players to dominate but I think you’re overthinking the play selection. It’s a popular play in the league and someone like Seth or Uzomah would’ve been fine with it. There are higher percentage plays to be used, so didn’t think it was very smart football for us. I actually think kicking for the points was smart football, but obviously people disagree there.
No matter what we both wanted to score and win!
No matter what we both wanted to score and win!
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:20 pm to jangalang
I’m not talking play selection or if they were or weren’t the right calls.
I’m discussing the mentality of what the coaches are preaching. Is kicking the field goal? And not running power on the goal line counter culture to what the mentality the coaches are trying to instill on the program. I’m only looking from a mental aspect nothing to do with outcome. We on the board and Coach Harsin have talked about culture all off season. 1-0 and 4th and 1 mentality.
I’m discussing the mentality of what the coaches are preaching. Is kicking the field goal? And not running power on the goal line counter culture to what the mentality the coaches are trying to instill on the program. I’m only looking from a mental aspect nothing to do with outcome. We on the board and Coach Harsin have talked about culture all off season. 1-0 and 4th and 1 mentality.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 6:46 am to CorchJay
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I’m discussing the mentality of what the coaches are preaching. Is kicking the field goal? And not running power on the goal line counter culture to what the mentality the coaches are trying to instill on the program.
You can have a hay day with the 4th and 1 FG but the fade absolutely not. There are many ways to skin a cat. Many ways to score, or to dominate your opponent. The fade is a very aggressive play call so I think it fits whip your arse mentality.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:03 am to CorchJay
I think we must have misinterpreted what they meant by a 4th and 1 mindset. With two of the best RBs in the country, I thought it meant we'd be physical and force our will on opponents. Not just take what a defense gives us but make them so what we do best. Maybe now that we're at game 4, we'll start playing like our best offensive players are at the running back position.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:11 am to CorchJay
At the point where they kicked the FG, I think the possibility of PSU scoring again was a real thought (and the way our D was covering, why not?), so the FG would've still kept it a one-score game. If we went for it on 4th and missed, it probably would've been a wrap. Keep the game in reach, and hopefully capitalize on a PSU mistake in the waning minutes. I would've liked to see us go for it, but I also understood the decision of going for 3 in that specific situation...
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:39 am to CorchJay
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4 and 1 we kicked the FG. 4th and 2 regardless of the options on the call we threw a fade. Not saying either was the wrong call just saying did the coaches go against what they are trying to establish as a culture.
4th and 1...then a FG...I agree..I would have rather, on the road, have given us a chance to get it and get more points.
On 4th and 2...NO...I understand the culture...and they did run it once and only got 1 hard yard from tank. The original down and distance(1st and goal from the 10)..was the problem to execute 'culture'.
So 4th and 2...culture resulting in a run..would have been stuffed.
Like Jang said..a better called play in space...That would be a different 'culture' but if it's a TD..then then a very good new culture play...
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:04 am to CorchJay
Football coaches are such conundrums to me. I mean they are obviously brilliant when it comes to football and to running managing a program/team but they are absolute morons when it comes to simple game management concepts.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:09 am to CorchJay
FG keeps it a 1 score game no matter what and puts your players in a great position to win or tie the game with an entire quarter to play. He made the right call.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:19 am to ATLienAU
Y’all are completely missing the point I’m trying to ask.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:57 am to CorchJay
Bo said, on TNR, that the 4th and 2 play had 5 options for him to choose based on coverage. He threw the fade due to the one on one coverage. Imo, the 4th and 2 pass was a bad read by Nix as much as it was the play call. I hated the call also.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:58 am to CorchJay
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Y’all are completely missing the point I’m trying to ask.
Depends on what you think Harsin is messaging with 4&1 Stuff.
I've always viewed Harsin to be in the Belichick "Do your job" , full focus, no plays off type coach. His "Fourth and One" to me always comes across as "execution, max effort, max focus" needed to convert/succeed on the given play.
With that in mind, I don't think calling a fade or FG is necessarily out of sync.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 12:07 pm to GenesChin
I’ve never looked at that saying as a literal one but what the frick do I know
Posted on 9/21/21 at 12:31 pm to GenesChin
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I've always viewed Harsin to be in the Belichick "Do your job" , full focus, no plays off type coach. His "Fourth and One" to me always comes across as "execution, max effort, max focus" needed to convert/succeed on the given play.
With that in mind, I don't think calling a fade or FG is necessarily out of sync.
Agree with this.
It's a mindset. It's about everyone doing their assignment right every time - on the field and off. If you don't do it right when it's 4th and 1, it's not gonna work. I think it also encompasses the idea of toughness and physicality, but I don't think it means we're going to go for it on 4th and 1/short every time.
Similar to his 1-0 mindset. Focus only on what's in front of you and take it one game at a time, one practice at a time, etc. I think this also kind of falls under the control what you can control mindset, which I'm a huge believer in. The players can only control what they're doing at that moment, in that practice or in that game, so make sure you put all your focus into that and and don't look ahead to other games or get distracted by noise outside of what you can control.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 12:41 pm to CorchJay
You can still instill a “4th and 1” mentality and kick field goals when it’s the best decision. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
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