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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:20 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:20 pm to LanierSpots
Get ready.
Unless the wheels fall off Chizik style he will be back next year. He will be made to make major changes on the staff and here we will be:
Malzahn changing coaches down the stretch 2.0
This will probably go on for a couple of years and Auburn will JABA and hire Lashlee.
Unless the wheels fall off Chizik style he will be back next year. He will be made to make major changes on the staff and here we will be:
Malzahn changing coaches down the stretch 2.0
This will probably go on for a couple of years and Auburn will JABA and hire Lashlee.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 2:22 pm
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:20 pm to AUTiger789
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Perhaps wait to see how the rest of the season goes.
No. Even if we win the rest, Freeze hangs his hat on offense and yesterday happened. He cannot be trusted. There is no reason to trust him.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:24 pm to jangalang
He has no point. Bryan Harsin was 6-7 in year one and was fired at 3-5 in year two.
Hugh Freeze is doing no better, with significantly better talent.
If anything, he is actually proving that Freeze is a WORSE coach than Harsin was considering that we actually DO have talent now.
We are 3-2 right now, but will very likely be sitting at 3-4 heading into the Arkansas game given that it is absurdly unlikely that this team beats UGA or Missouri. Whats funny is that this is exactly where Harsin was sitting in year two: he was 3-4 heading to the Arkansas game, we lost, and then he was fired.
So Freeze is basically on a very similar timeline as Harsin was, except with seemingly considerably more talent on the roster.
Hugh Freeze is doing no better, with significantly better talent.
If anything, he is actually proving that Freeze is a WORSE coach than Harsin was considering that we actually DO have talent now.
We are 3-2 right now, but will very likely be sitting at 3-4 heading into the Arkansas game given that it is absurdly unlikely that this team beats UGA or Missouri. Whats funny is that this is exactly where Harsin was sitting in year two: he was 3-4 heading to the Arkansas game, we lost, and then he was fired.
So Freeze is basically on a very similar timeline as Harsin was, except with seemingly considerably more talent on the roster.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:26 pm to AU86
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Get ready.
Unless the wheels fall off Chizik style he will be back next year. He will be made to make major changes on the staff and here we will be:
Auburn has never kept a coach with 3 straight 6 win or fewer seasons. Right now it is hard to envision this team winning more than 6 games.
There is literally no history of Auburn giving bad coaches too much rope. Your scenario is not likely at all. For one, Freeze has already exhausted the "staff changes" and "QB" excuses.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:30 pm to AU86
Nah, this is it for ole boy unless he either beats UGA or Bama or wins every other game.
Neither is happening
Neither is happening
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:45 pm to FlyDownTheField
Freeze has done strong recruiting, but the end of story. I'd love to see some younger, up and coming coaches at OC, O-line, QB, receivers positions.
The defense nearly won that game and kept Auburn in it, but offense felt like 2003.
The defense nearly won that game and kept Auburn in it, but offense felt like 2003.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:23 pm to metafour
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Tommy Tuberville - AU was 3-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 5-6
Year 2: 9-4
This is not the example you think it is, Son.
While the record improved in Year 2, it was mostly due to an insanely easy schedule relative today…. Culminating in getting to play a 3-8 Alabama team at the end of the regular season.
In 2000, despite the turnaround in record, Auburn was 0-3 against teams that finished in the final AP Top 19… losing by an average of 22 points a game.
How do you think Tubs would have faired had he played 5 of those types of opponents in the regular season instead of just one as in 2000?
Also, what happened in Year 3? A 7-5 season that ended with 3 straight losses… including a 24-point home shellacking to a 5-loss Alabama team and a bowl loss to 5-loss North Carolina. Of the 7 wins, one was to Ball State… one was to La Tech by the score of 48-41…. Another was to 2-win Vandy by just 3 points… and another was to 3-win Miss State by 2 points.
In total, through his first THREE seasons, Tuberville was 1-9 against Final AP Top 15 ranked teams with the margin of loss averaging right at 14 points.
Freeze’s Year 3 could very well produce an Auburn team that is better than Tubs’ Year 3 team. And Tubs didn’t routinely start winning big games until the very end of his fourth season in 2002. His best teams came in Years 6-8… 2004-2006.
Tubs is actually a perfect example of giving a coach enough time to build something.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 3:40 pm to AU86
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Unless the wheels fall off Chizik style he will be back next year. He will be made to make major changes on the staff
As it should be.
We lost our free pass with having to fire Harsin after just two seasons. You can’t keep giving coaches just 2-3 year without an opportunity for a major staff overhaul if you want to have a shot at landing anyone decent in the future.
Sucks but that’s just the case.
Someone name one school that has fired three different coaches in a six year period and then found a great coach to follow that shite show up.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:02 pm to AUTiger789
Well get ready, because once this defense gives up we’re staring a 2012 season right in the face. And there’s nothing far fetched about that scenario.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:22 pm to AUTiger789
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Someone name one school that has fired three different coaches in a six year period and then found a great coach to follow that shite show up.
Pretty sure bama went through 4 coaches in 6 years prior to $abans hire.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:29 pm to AUTiger789
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“Despite Freeze”. LOL. Who took over from Brian Harsin and got us to this point?
Freeze currently has a winning percentage that is one point better than Harsin. 44% to 43%...still under .500.
So what exactly is "this point" that Freeze has gotten us to? He recruited better for a couple cycles. So what? The better talent doesn't mean shite when you cant win games. Especially in this era of college football where the players can, and will, leave at any time.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:35 pm to AUTiger789
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Someone name one school that has fired three different coaches in a six year period and then found a great coach to follow that shite show up.
LSU fired Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo within 8 years and came up with Nick Saban.
Auburn fired Tuberville and Gene Chizik with a short time and came up with Malzhan.
Alabama fired Mike Dubose, Franchione left after 2 years, MIke Price was fired after .25 years, and Mike Shula was fired after 3 and they hired the greatest coach of all time.
Ray Perkins left after 3 years, bill curry was fired / run off after 3 and they hired Gene Stallings
Florida fired Charlie Pell and Galan Hall within 8 years and got put on serious probation and got one of the SEC's greatest - Steve Spurrier
The past and frequency of change / firings is not a deterrent to eventually getting a great coach at a big time school. It is essentially trial and error, and you are stupid to limit your chances.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:39 pm to auburn2eugene
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Pretty sure bama went through 4 coaches in 6 years prior to $abans hire.
Francione left on his own to take the job at A&M.
Dubose got 4 seasons
Shula got 4 seasons
Mike Price was the only one fired that didn’t get at least 4 full seasons, and the reason for his firing was 100% for off the field issues as he never coached a game.
I can literally think of no example of a school firing three coaches in a six year period. We don’t want that reputation. We will never get another decent coach if everyone in the industry knows Auburn will just fire you in short order. Like what are we even doing talking about this garbage?
Demand changes to the offensive staff? Sure. Going for 4 head coaches in a seven season period? Thats literally insane.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:42 pm to AUTiger789
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You can’t keep giving coaches just 2-3 year without an opportunity for a major staff overhaul if you want to have a shot at landing anyone decent in the future.
You can go all the way back to Shug and find exactly one coach that that didn't coach into their 4th year. That's Harsin. Every other coach not named Chizik or Harsin got at least 5 seasons. You dont need 5 seasons in this transfer era of football.
This narrative that Auburn hires and fires football coaches on a whim is just not true.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 4:44 pm to IAmNERD
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Freeze currently has a winning percentage that is one point better than Harsin. 44% to 43%...still under .500.
Harsin literally inherited a team with a future NFL starter QB who would be drafted in the first round. Auburn hadn’t had a losing SEC record in three years when he came in.
If you think the situation Freeze inherited is equal to the talent Harsin inherited, you are insane.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:01 pm to AUTiger789
Freeze has all kinds of talent this year.
3-28 on third down conversions this year in SEC play.
We are no longer having a roster conversation.
3-28 on third down conversions this year in SEC play.
We are no longer having a roster conversation.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:04 pm to AUTiger789
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If you think the situation Freeze inherited is equal to the talent Harsin inherited, you are insane.
Freeze has had 3 years and unlimited funds to build a team. He is not doing that
Hell, FSU has went from 2-10 to Top 10 in one year. It shouldnt even take 3 years if he knows how to coach. He doesnt. And now, the recruiting will suffer, no matter how much money they give him. Players who have other options do not want to play for a loser
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:05 pm to pdfield34
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LSU fired Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo within 8 years and came up with Nick Saban.
Curly Hallman got 4 seasons and DiNardo 5 seasons. This is nowhere close to what yall are asking Auburn to do.
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Auburn fired Tuberville and Gene Chizik with a short time and came up with Malzhan.
Are you serious with this? Tuberville had 10 seasons. Chizik had 4.
This is nothing like firing a coach after 2 years and the next after 3.
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Alabama fired Mike Dubose, Franchione left after 2 years, MIke Price was fired after .25 years, and Mike Shula was fired after 3 and they hired the greatest coach of all time.
As discussed, during the entire stretch of post-Stallings / pre-Saban misery in Tuscaloosa, Bama never once fired a coach for their performance without giving them at least four seasons.
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Ray Perkins left after 3 years, bill curry was fired / run off after 3 and they hired Gene Stallings
No. Perkins got four seasons. Curry is the only post-Bryant Alabama coach to get fired without getting at least four seasons.
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Florida fired Charlie Pell and Galan Hall within 8 years and got put on serious probation and got one of the SEC's greatest - Steve Spurrier
Pell was fired three games into his SIXTH season due to scandal. Galen Hall was also fired midway through his SIXTH season.
None of these are the same. Literally none.
Someone find me ONE example of a school firing two coaches in a row for on-the-field performance that got less than 3 full seasons each? Yall are asking Auburn to do something that will make us a pariah in the CFB world. No one will want to take the job in the future. It would take 20 years to recover from that reputation.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:05 pm to AUTiger789
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If you think the situation Freeze inherited is equal to the talent Harsin inherited, you are insane.
Nice strawman, because I haven't seen anyone claiming that. Im with a couple others that gave him a lot more slack simply because of the situation he inherited. But after that pathetic offensive performance against Aggie yesterday, im done too. There's no excuse for whatever that was on offense yesterday. None.
What I have seen people claim is that it doesn't take 4 or 5 years to show improvement for good coaches. If you want to take that single percentage point and say that's improvement, go ahead. Almost halfway through the 3rd season and still having the same problems with penalties, bad special teams play, bad QB play and outright refusal to run the football doesn't scream improvement to the rest of us.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:09 pm to AUTiger789
Waiting 4 years, and not 3 is some mental gymnastics that youre playing regardless of the play on the field. Freeze
And looking past the play on the field is dishonest.
And looking past the play on the field is dishonest.
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