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re: Bruce Pearl and a blueblood job?
Posted on 2/9/20 at 10:18 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 2/9/20 at 10:18 pm to GenesChin
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u honestly have no idea wtf you are talking about if you are serious. That's like saying Boise St is a better program than UGA because UGA hasn't won anything meaningful in a couple decades.
Right now we are, i didnt say they didnt have a higher ceiling or have a lot more history but does Bruce want to spend 3 years getting them back to where they were under Knight
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Posted on 2/9/20 at 10:18 pm to GenesChin
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u honestly have no idea wtf you are talking about if you are serious. That's like saying Boise St is a better program than UGA because UGA hasn't won anything meaningful in a couple decades.
Right now we are, i didnt say they didnt have a higher ceiling or have a lot more history but does Bruce want to spend 3 years getting them back to where they were under Knight, or even currently where we are.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 2/9/20 at 10:25 pm to Ross
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f Steven is learning from Pearl and has 10% of Bruce’s energy, who knows it might just work out
Hiring Calipari’s right hand man didn’t really work. Not sure if I’m comfortable with hiring little Pearl, but if that’s what it takes, so be it.
Posted on 2/9/20 at 11:15 pm to AU66
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Right now we are, i didnt say they didnt have a higher ceiling or have a lot more history but does Bruce want to spend 3 years getting them back to where they were under Knight
In CFB and CBB the oldest amongst this board has seen teams struggle to go back to their glory days. Those schools should have documentaries as being the most storied or most historical, but their prestige does eventually fade once the program dwells in mediocrity for extended periods of time. UCLA and Indiana basketball are examples. Indiana has more NCAA tournament appearances than Auburn since the millennium, but to most of us millenials, we have yet to see them really matter, much less be a blue blood. Knight isn’t walking through that door again.
Miami, Tennessee, and Nebraska in football, and so on. Nebraska still has a sizable fanbase, but it’s hardly the program that it used to be, and the recruits and most fans know it.
The Dukes and Kentucky’s out there are the true blue bloods and that’s who I’m more leery of.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 7:08 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 6:53 am to AU66
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Right now we are
No, we aren't. We are a better basketball team, we aren't close to a better basketball program.
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The Dukes and Kentucky’s out there are the true blue bloods and that’s who I’m more leery of
You don't get it.
IU in bad years is a top 3-5 bball revenue program that sells out basketball
Recruiting the moment they are relevant they are the dominant regional recruiter for Chicago and St Louis with the resources to recruit like UK Nationally
Facilities are probably top 3-5 in all of CBB since they redid Assembly Hall
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we have yet to see them really matter much less be a blue blood.
They've been on probation for years
They almost snagged Tonny Bennett awhile back, if they did they'd go undefeated every year.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 7:00 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 7:01 am to jangalang
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but to most of us millenials
I'm a millennial, I just know college basketball and the resources IU gives. What's shocking is that coaches fail there. It is as good if not better of a job than UK when Cal took over
In fairness they are coming off Sampson sanctions
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 7:02 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 7:16 am to GenesChin
Very difficult to project college coaches.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 7:25 am to GenesChin
I think Miller will do well there eventually
Posted on 2/10/20 at 8:17 am to GenesChin
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What's shocking is that coaches fail there.
Same. But they have for two decades now.
Indiana brass has to pour resources into Indiana basketball. That’s the Indiana bread winner that is nearly doubling football program ticket sales.
They meet all the criteria of a blue blood eschew on- court success. So, I’m not comfortable calling them a blue blood. They are going to have retain their glory.
Btw Louisville supposedly is the most valuable CBB team and I don’t consider them blue bloods either.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:50 am to RandySavage
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Some of yall are being pretty naive. Pearl is going to want to win a title. That's going to be really, really hard at Auburn; though we were so close last year. If a true blue blood came calling I doubt he'd turn it down. Hopefully it won't happen.
Why is that?
Was Virginia, Connecticut, Florida, Arkansas a blue blood? No, and there were others too.
It only takes one...and any coach, especially in basketball would be satisfied, it is so hard these days.
And we were 1 game away from a shot at it...so no, I think Pearl knows he can win at Auburn now...and I think he has said that now.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:09 am to jangalang
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Same. But they have for two decades now.
That's a little unfair, they lost an elite coach + multiple years of sanctions due to impermissable phone calls during that stretch.
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They meet all the criteria of a blue blood eschew on- court success. So, I’m not comfortable calling them a blue blood.
No CBB disputes who the true blue bloods are and IU is included.
The fact that they've sucked recently and still have the resources, support and prestige goes to show what that program is
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Btw Louisville supposedly is the most valuable CBB team and I don’t consider them blue bloods either.
That's mostly because their former AD absolutely fleeced the city for the YUM! Center.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:11 am to GenesChin
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Right now we are
No, we aren't. We are a better basketball team, we aren't close to a better basketball program.
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The Dukes and Kentucky’s out there are the true blue bloods and that’s who I’m more leery of
You don't get it.
IU in bad years is a top 3-5 bball revenue program that sells out basketball
Recruiting the moment they are relevant they are the dominant regional recruiter for Chicago and St Louis with the resources to recruit like UK Nationally
Facilities are probably top 3-5 in all of CBB since they redid Assembly Hall
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we have yet to see them really matter much less be a blue blood.
They've been on probation for years
They almost snagged Tonny Bennett awhile back, if they did they'd go undefeated every year.
Indiana is no longer a blue blood, after 20 years of average playing.
As Pearl said, we ARE a good basketball 'program', not just a team.
And we are better than Indiana, just look at the records and the NCAA bids the last few years.
I don't care about revenue, the facilities.etc..Many schools that USED to be the top 'programs' in the nation still make a lot of money, update their facilities w/ top programs, but simply are no longer relevant.
UCLA, INDIANA, ARIZONA, etc...none are top level programs anymore much less blue bloods.
Basically you said a lot of 'if's in your analogy, and that could apply to any program that had a long period of great success...but now they are not...so I can't consider them blue bloods, until they answer your 'ifs'.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:25 am to AuSteeler
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Indiana is no longer a blue blood, after 20 years of average playing.
Yes, yes they are.
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As Pearl said, we ARE a good basketball 'program', not just a team.
Pearl is speaking it into existence, it isn't true... yet. We still are another ~3 maybe 5 years of good basketball away from having a good sustainable program. We have the excitement right now, we don't have the foundation built.
For example, the fact that we still have our current jumbotron is the perfect example. If this was football, that would have been replaced years ago
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I don't care about revenue, the facilities.etc.
You don't have to care for it to matter.
Having an unlimited budget to buy the best staff on and off the court, to build the best state of the art facilities and to buy the biggest bags to drop off for recruits matters.
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UCLA,
I actually agree with this because UCLA is no longer committed to fielding elite basketball.
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ARIZONA, etc...none are top level programs anymore much less blue bloods.
First, as a Zona fan, they are not a blue blood. They are a great program but similar to say UConn under Calhoun, they are not blue bloods.
Second, in the past 10 years they have averaged 26.5 Wins with 3 Elite 8s and 5 Sweet 16s
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so I can't consider them blue bloods
Indiana is the Michigan of college basketball. Still a blue blood with the resources/commitment to be elite with a good coach
UCLA is the Nebraska of college basketball. No longer has the resources (commitment for UCLA) to be elite.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:38 am to GenesChin
Right now, I agree that it is better to be an AU fan than IU fan. I feel more optimistic about us than them. I think we have a better decade ahead of us.
That said, IU is like UNC at the turn of the centry or UK after Gillespie. With a great coaching hire Indiana leaps into dominance again, as there is nothing holding them back.
Generally speaking Bball blue bloods are defined as
- Tradition
- Resources
- Unwavering Fan base Support
- Donor support
- Extended periods of Dominance
The only schools that fit that billing are UNC Duke UK Kansas Indiana UCLA*
The fact that IU is in the shitter and still meets 4/5 is proof of Blue Blood status not a knock against them.
That said, IU is like UNC at the turn of the centry or UK after Gillespie. With a great coaching hire Indiana leaps into dominance again, as there is nothing holding them back.
Generally speaking Bball blue bloods are defined as
- Tradition
- Resources
- Unwavering Fan base Support
- Donor support
- Extended periods of Dominance
The only schools that fit that billing are UNC Duke UK Kansas Indiana UCLA*
The fact that IU is in the shitter and still meets 4/5 is proof of Blue Blood status not a knock against them.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:45 am to GenesChin
At what point does remaining in the shitter while holding onto 4/5 do they lose their distinction?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:47 am to RandySavage
quote:The only true blue bloods I think Bruce would be a candidate for some day might be UK or UCLA. KU would avoid him because they have NCAA issues. Duke and UNC seem like bad fits. IU isn't really blueblood anymore. I doubt it's more attractive than AU at the moment.
If a true blue blood came calling I doubt he'd turn it down. Hopefully it won't happen.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:58 am to PearlJam
Pearl is likely still blackballed by the Big10 + Indiana likely won't touch Pearl given their own enforcement history/problems post Knight.
I think UCLA hiring Mick Cronin made them unlikely suitors. They aren't likely to be committed to do what it would take to make an attractive offer + their program support is now no longer blue blood level
I think UCLA hiring Mick Cronin made them unlikely suitors. They aren't likely to be committed to do what it would take to make an attractive offer + their program support is now no longer blue blood level
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:07 am to jangalang
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At what point does remaining in the shitter while holding onto 4/5 do they lose their distinction?
The point where being so bad erodes the other 4/5 like it has for UCLA.
Best example, Georgetown used to be be considered close to a blue blood but after a decade of IU play their program has fallen apart and can't even sell out games.
Like I said before, I consider IU a better version of what Michigan is in football. I don't know anyone who thinks Michigan isn't one of the blue blood football programs
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:15 am to GenesChin
Indiana still has somewhat recent success. Even won the conference in 2016. 3 S16's since 2012. They haven't been what a blueblood fan base desires but still more success than most.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:33 am to jangalang
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At what point does remaining in the shitter while holding onto 4/5 do they lose their distinction?
that's my point too.
Tradition, consistency and resources are what dictate blueblood status. That’s not just college basketball, and not just sports.
Indiana has tradition and resources, but consistency? No way.
They are in that second tier that can get back in there, but the only tradition was 30 years of Bobby Knight and before. Other than that, they are back to being below the blue bloods.
And I need to add Ucla back in the blue bloods(barely). I checked and they went to 3 straight final fours just 10 years ago.
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