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re: Boise State Article by 247 on Harsin. Lettuce discuss
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:58 am to jangalang
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:58 am to jangalang
If this is indeed accurate then transfer portal FTW.
Not worried one bit. I have yet to find one quality about Hars that I’m concerned about. Will some eventually arise? Maybe so, who knows. But I could care less what he did @ Boise. I only care about what he does for Auburn. And it is already obvious that our abysmal road record in conference should be improving quite a bit.
In his first season, beating Bama will be quite nice if he can do it but I’m not naive enough to expect that. What I REALLY want to see is how he does in a quality bowl game.
Not worried one bit. I have yet to find one quality about Hars that I’m concerned about. Will some eventually arise? Maybe so, who knows. But I could care less what he did @ Boise. I only care about what he does for Auburn. And it is already obvious that our abysmal road record in conference should be improving quite a bit.
In his first season, beating Bama will be quite nice if he can do it but I’m not naive enough to expect that. What I REALLY want to see is how he does in a quality bowl game.
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:01 am to jangalang
Just seems like a pointless exercise to me.
The point of this thread is to have something to bump if you’re right, and we’ll never see it again if you’re wrong. Weird.
And yes. There is reason for concern with recruiting. No one should deny that. Although I think we have seen an uptick recently from the the very little I’ve followed it.
The point of this thread is to have something to bump if you’re right, and we’ll never see it again if you’re wrong. Weird.
And yes. There is reason for concern with recruiting. No one should deny that. Although I think we have seen an uptick recently from the the very little I’ve followed it.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:01 am to Hussss
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The point of this thread is to have something to bump if you’re right, and we’ll never see it again if you’re wrong. Weird.
Seems that way.
If Harsin can't recruit then I don't expect us to have to put up with him as long as we had to put up with Gus.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:09 am to jangalang
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For years we have heard rumors that he is a jerk and difficult to work for. The revolving door of assistant coaches who have worked for him, the emails obtained through FOIA requests, and the comments from former coaches all confirm this point. The way he treats the media is confirmation enough.
I've heard this too. Drinkwitz said publicly that Harsin can be a "dickhead" some days.
But you know what other coaches are major assholes? Saban, Meyer, and Spurrier. You know what other coaches treat the media like shite? Saban, Meyer and Spurrier. (Dabo also treats the media like shite).
I am not saying Harsin will win 14 national championships or anything, but being an a-hole and a jerk to the media is actually a trait of many GOOD coaches.
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Is this noise or should we be concerned?
Noise.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:10 am to jangalang
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’m not melting at all. I don’t understand how people can think “sour grapes” or “agenda” when it is true that Harsin’s OL struggled.
I love Harsin’s cowboy routine with the media and his toughness but he isn’t our guy if our OL and DL isn’t the toughest groups on the field for both teams. I made this topic because it’s easier to track my topics. This will be revisited from time time to time.
You're talking about our OL right, not Boise's when Harsin was there?
Why would we think that our OL with basically the SAME OL we had last year starting, outside of Jones, would be a stud OL?
We have seen progress, with better OL pass blocking, since Bo is not bailing quite as much, and Harsin's offense makes it easier on the QB to quickly get rid of the ball with better passing schemes.
And on Defense, we lost our 2 most experienced DTs who transferred, and replaced them with transfers who have done well, not dominating.
But we know the recruits Harsin inherited turned out not to be Line changers.
And I surely am not going to compare Harsin's OL at Boise with Auburn's when each team had different OCs running the show...
I think we have to be patient and see how our lines develop over the next 2-3 recruiting cycles and on the field. And using a reporters complaints about Harsin, is not a good gauge at all, other than all of us spending time going back and forth over it.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:11 am to Weagle25
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The point of this thread is to have something to bump if you’re right, and we’ll never see it again if you’re wrong. Weird.
I don’t want to be right or wrong. I don’t believe the writer is just making shite up regarding the LOS though and it already seems likely our OL will continue to struggle here too
I was the biggest Gatewood guy out there beyond jville. I can admit fault.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:15 am to Weagle25
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And yes. There is reason for concern with recruiting. No one should deny that. Although I think we have seen an uptick recently from the the very little I’ve followed it.
I think everyone would prefer if the guys we are expected to land eventually were already on board. Just hasn’t happened yet for a few of them. We’ll get an early peek of what this staff’s recruiting ability is on early NSD. If this class turns out well it will because they flip quite a few guys from other programs.
Which is something we’re expected to do. I think we might only have another commit or two before then.
The 2022 class that we’re working on now begins in 2020. A year that these coaches, aside from Caddy, weren’t here. Most of 2021 is spent on 2023 kids. We’re even starting to hear about more ‘24 offers than ‘23 offers as we approach November.
I think Randy put it well. Im somewhat uneasy due to the reality that the guys this staff wants in this class are in a lot of other classes right now
But we won’t have a good idea about their full ability until 2023, IMO.Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:15 am to AUstar
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I am not saying Harsin will win 14 national championships or anything, but being an a-hole and a jerk to the media is actually a trait of many GOOD coaches.
He has to recruit first and foremost before the comparison sticks or else we got a Greg Schiano dickhead.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:24 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:You mean you are acting like a child here? I pointed out the OL has received criticism since 2017 and the stats this year suggest they are very much depleted.. Your point was sour grapes let’s hide under the sheets before cold hard facts slap us in the face
Hey bud, what did I say about having a come apart? No need to act like a child.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:25 am to jangalang
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You mean you are acting like a child here?
You are.
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Your point was sour grapes let’s hide under the sheets before cold hard facts slap us in the face
Case and point.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:27 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Sounds mostly like a lot of sour grapes
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:27 am to jangalang
Harsin is a serious guy with a plan and a level of expectation for himself, his players, and his staff. He’s an overachiever and a winner. That doesn’t always appeal to people who will settle for anything less, Especially doughy cheeto eating incel sports reporters. Harsin strikes me as a lead, follow, or get the frick out of the way kind of guy. Honestly, his temperament reminds me a lot of Saban.
Speaking of…I once played in a charity golf foursome with Mike Malarkey, when he worked for the Falcons, who had recently worked for Saban at Miami. It was right after Saban took the job at Bama. I asked him, “how do you think Nick Saban will do at Alabama? How was working for him?“. His reply was, “Coaching is a tough business. It’s tough on your family, you move around a lot, and there’s lots of pressure. So I have a lot of empathy toward coaches. There is only one coach I would never cheer for in my life. That coach is Nick Saban”.
Demanding head coaches who will settle for nothing but your best are not for everybody.
Speaking of…I once played in a charity golf foursome with Mike Malarkey, when he worked for the Falcons, who had recently worked for Saban at Miami. It was right after Saban took the job at Bama. I asked him, “how do you think Nick Saban will do at Alabama? How was working for him?“. His reply was, “Coaching is a tough business. It’s tough on your family, you move around a lot, and there’s lots of pressure. So I have a lot of empathy toward coaches. There is only one coach I would never cheer for in my life. That coach is Nick Saban”.
Demanding head coaches who will settle for nothing but your best are not for everybody.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:29 am to jangalang
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but i'm sure there is some legitimacy in some of it to some degree.
You just going to leave this part out because it doesn't fit your narrative?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:36 am to jangalang
Bro why are you melting so hard about an article from BSU?
Hiring Harsin showed that Boise people have an unrealistic perception of theirselves. They think they are the king of the G5 and that they can sit on that title without actually doing anything. They are not some destination place that recruits are dying to get to. They thought they could live off some past successes and not keep pushing the ball down the field. See their reluctance to build appropriate facilities and join a major conference while Harsin was there as proof.
The fact of the matter is they expect every coach to be Petersen 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, etc. Harsin left there with the 3rd highest win percentage of active HCs. If anything it seemed like Harsin wanted Boise to be an elite program and that everyone else there already thought they were.
Hiring Harsin showed that Boise people have an unrealistic perception of theirselves. They think they are the king of the G5 and that they can sit on that title without actually doing anything. They are not some destination place that recruits are dying to get to. They thought they could live off some past successes and not keep pushing the ball down the field. See their reluctance to build appropriate facilities and join a major conference while Harsin was there as proof.
The fact of the matter is they expect every coach to be Petersen 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, etc. Harsin left there with the 3rd highest win percentage of active HCs. If anything it seemed like Harsin wanted Boise to be an elite program and that everyone else there already thought they were.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:40 am to GoCrazyAuburn
“But I’m sure there is some legitimacy to some degree” doesn’t tell me why their OL and DL is playing so poorly. It says a lot without saying anything at all.
If anything that sentence is nothing more than a properly placed escape hatch just in case you’re wrong.
If anything that sentence is nothing more than a properly placed escape hatch just in case you’re wrong.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:42 am to jangalang
Maybe it just wasn't possible to get the same level of talent to go play in Boise anymore?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:46 am to jangalang
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
I don’t worry too much about that noise. I’m sure eventually we’ll have a gripe piece like this about Harsin after he’s won us countless titles but finally tires out and becomes stale years from now. That’s life in most any job - the newbie has a time period where they blame everything on whoever just left.
I don’t worry too much about that noise. I’m sure eventually we’ll have a gripe piece like this about Harsin after he’s won us countless titles but finally tires out and becomes stale years from now. That’s life in most any job - the newbie has a time period where they blame everything on whoever just left.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:46 am to jangalang
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jangalang
You really went and did it this time
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:47 am to jangalang
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“But I’m sure there is some legitimacy to some degree” doesn’t tell me why their OL and DL is playing so poorly. It says a lot without saying anything at all.
If anything that sentence is nothing more than a properly placed escape hatch just in case you’re wrong.
Wait, so me admitting that I don't know for certain if the article is completely right or not, and saying there probably is some truth to it is an escape?
Good lord you are flustered over this. You asked if it was something we needed to be concerned about. Considering neither you nor I know enough about their team to say one way or the other if the author is right, then i'd say the correct response would be
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I’m sure there is some legitimacy to some degree”
If you want to have a little mid-season pre-melt though and get all worked up over something that may or may not be true and a problem for us, go right on ahead.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:49 am to TheJones
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You really went and did it this time
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