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re: Bo puttin in that Hard Work

Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:36 am to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:36 am to
When you dive into Bo's numbers, he is terrible. The majority of his below average completion % is WR bubble screens. His middle and deep passes are non-existent. Anyone else not named Nix would have been benched by now.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:48 am to
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But I still am not sold that Willis was better, playing in that league he is playing in now. As with so many players...the competition can display your flaws for sure with better players..especially better coaches that know how to defend a QB like WIllis, and defensive players that can make it harder for WIllis to have the stats he had last year...if he was still in the SEC.


Competition differences are baked into the equation already. This is actually what NFL teams must do every single year - so when Trey Lance from North Dakota State goes 3rd overall while Justin Fields played for Ohio State and Mac Jones played for Alabama, competition has already been "accounted" for.

Malik Willis is far from a finished product, but he has clearly shown to be of a higher caliber player than Bo Nix. Hence why he's getting legitimate ~1st/2nd round hype heading into next year's draft, while Bo Nix - until further notice - isn't even draftable. He has a better arm, makes more plays with his arm, and is even superior at the ONLY thing that Nix has shown to be above-average: athleticism and ability to run. Bo Nix does nothing better than Willis, and his upside is much lower.

As I said however, Willis wouldn't have developed into what he is now under Gus anyway, so this is all pretty moot. But the post I was responding to suggested that Bo Nix was the best QB on the roster. It is clear as day that Gus botched that evaluation entirely and let a freakish talent in Malik Willis transfer out. He should have been playing over Nix, who wasn't even "excelling" anyway - he just got handed the job. This is actually WORSE than the Fromm/Fields situation at Georgia because in that scenario Fromm was actually playing very well at the time when Georgia had to "make that decision", and it's kind of hard to sit a guy who is currently performing. In our case, we had the ability to evaluate both players - and the staff chose to play the less physically talented QB, who wasn't even fundamentally sound either. It's not like Bo Nix is even accurate - he is actually below average in that sense as well. So they basically just handed him the job based off of recruiting hype/nepotism.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 9:56 am
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
895 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:14 am to
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Willis wouldn't have developed into what he is now under Gus anyway


Then maybe Nix will develop under someone other than Gus.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4271 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:25 am to
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Then maybe Nix will develop under someone other than Gus.


It's possible, but the reality of the quarterback position is such that once a guy "breaks", it's incredibly difficult to reverse that. With Bo Nix, it is clear that they let him do whatever he wanted to do in HS with no regards to his development. He then had two years of backwards "coaching" in college. He has developed a lot of bad habits as well as some very concerning traits (pocket presence) which generally are very hard to correct.

It's sink or swim for him, with the problem being that I don't think Harsin is going to waste too much time "babying" him - hence the full speed ahead recruitment of TJ Finley. The question is how much improvement he can make in one offseason, while also learning a brand new offensive system.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44689 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:52 am to
I really hope he does. But just reading Harsins moves so far, a lot of the Nix fanboys need to brace themselves for a quick hook if he does a spin move 15 yards behind the LOS. Every QB on our roster can hit quick passes, which is the only thing Bo has shown competence at so far.

ETA

Our QB just committed
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 11:08 am
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69050 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:44 am to
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Maybe try watching football.


LOL. I was watching Malik Willis before you knew who he was. I promise you. I know him and his ability.

He is doing awesome where he is and nobody is happier than me for him. But his skill set was not going to work for us, no matter how much we wanted it to. We didnt have the support players and had already went away from what he did best.

He is a great fit for where he is and I pull for him every single game.

But whatever. Continue on

Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9837 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:04 pm to
Yeah, this isn’t true at all. Stidham had almost identical numbers his second year with us and was not benched in the same offense. Bo has been the definition of average so far
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9837 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:09 pm to
Who are the Nix fanboys other than Corch? We all want to see more out of him. You are just exposing yourself as a Nix hater as you can't accept the simple realities that he isn't as bad as you think.

You seem to have an issue with him because of the bizarre perception that a marginal legacy QB from the 90's is the only reason he is our QB? I don't get it but whatever. You were the one I'm pretty sure that was absolutely certain Gatewood should start over him and wouldn't let it go.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69050 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:30 pm to
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Who are the Nix fanboys other than Corch? We all want to see more out of him. You are just exposing yourself as a Nix hater as you can't accept the simple realities that he isn't as bad as you think.

You seem to have an issue with him because of the bizarre perception that a marginal legacy QB from the 90's is the only reason he is our QB? I don't get it but whatever. You were the one I'm pretty sure that was absolutely certain Gatewood should start over him and wouldn't let it go.



You are wasting your time with him. He is just here to talk shite. No content.

Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4271 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:32 pm to
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LOL. I was watching Malik Willis before you knew who he was. I promise you. I know him and his ability.



Uhm, do you know who you're responding to LOL? No, no you weren't, but let's move on.

quote:

He is doing awesome where he is and nobody is happier than me for him. But his skill set was not going to work for us, no matter how much we wanted it to. We didnt have the support players and had already went away from what he did best.



This has nothing to do with the topic. The initial statement was a simple one: Bo Nix played and continues to play because he was and is the best QB on the roster. At the time the decision was made, Willis had not been given much of a fair shot at anything. Since then, we have learned to find that he is simply better or more talented in basically every sense of playing the position. In the aspects of his game where he is more raw or needs more development (accuracy, maintaining mechanics, etc) these are all things that Bo Nix himself needs even MORE work or development in. So really, what does Bo Nix do that makes him better for ANY system? There is no system that values inaccuracy or pocket inability. His best traits (running/athleticism) are still inferior to Willis. So what exactly is the "angle" here?

And yes, Malik Willis is in a great spot and he's going to get to the NFL because of it. Really happy for him.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44689 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:39 pm to
Wrong. I never stated Gatewood would 100% start. I simply require a QB to produce on the field. Bo Nix has not produced one stat that indicates he should be the QB at AU or any SEC school. He is a talented slot WR at best. He has shown zero ability to date to be the QB at my alumnus. People on here have an unconscious bias towards Bo and any criticism of him rustles these people. If he wins the Heisman, I will be happy for him. However, I am not going to give a 21 year old in his 3rd year a pass for doing spin moves and over throwing open WRs.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69050 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:45 pm to
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Uhm, do you know who you're responding to LOL? No, no you weren't, but let's move on.


I actually don’t know who you are so maybe you will tell me.

QBs like Willis and Nick Marshall are system QBs. We did not have the system fir Malik. He is not a great pocket passer and does not have the arm strength to be a Starting NFL QB or a good SEC qb without the right system.

Nix was the best choice over Willis and Gatewood and it still is. Nix has a ways to go and hopefully he pick it up this year but in the end, he has more qb skills than Willis and will moving forward

This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49659 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:29 pm to
It’s pretty neat that we now have two QBs with meat of the SEC experience. Might have a battle coming up soon..
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44689 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:49 pm to
TJ may be a complete failure. I am just excited because of the move. Gus would have never open the position up, and we would have been stuck with Bo for two more years. Listening to TJ speak, it is clear Bobo wants options. If Bo wins the job and produces, then good for him. But I feel confident we won't have to suffer if Bo continues his nonsense.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 1:50 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69050 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:36 pm to
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It’s pretty neat that we now have two QBs with meat of the SEC experience. Might have a battle coming up soon..



Competition is always good. Cant wait to see how it goes. Both may play some

Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9837 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:49 pm to
I like the move as well. I’m not sure if it’s something Harsin wants to do but it also gives you a little more room to let Bo run the ball more
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 3:17 pm to
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TJ may be a complete failure. I am just excited because of the move. Gus would have never open the position up, and we would have been stuck with Bo for two more years. Listening to TJ speak, it is clear Bobo wants options. If Bo wins the job and produces, then good for him. But I feel confident we won't have to suffer if Bo continues his nonsense.



Agreed.

Bo has talent right up until he feels pressure and then leaves the pocket and throws off balance. His foot work when he stays in the pocket is inconsistent. By all means improve Bo, but I like him having some pressure to perform in practice and fall camp. Let's see how it plays out.

Regardless of what LSU fans say, not every freshman can perform solidly under the conditions Finley came in under. Also, that offense was shite last year and they know it.

Also, when you consider who the backups are then Finley is a decent to good get.
Posted by Fear The Thumb
Coastal, AL
Member since Nov 2012
3551 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:24 pm to
The fact that the current coaching staff went after TJ says all you need to know how they feel about what they saw watching Bo’s game film. I’m in on TJ and a QB competition this fall, may the best man win!
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
41869 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:22 pm to
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The fact that the current coaching staff went after TJ says all you need to know how they feel about what they saw watching Bo’s game film.
No it doesn’t. It could just as easily speak more volumes to what they saw from Loy and Davis in spring practice.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69050 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:26 pm to
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The fact that the current coaching staff went after TJ says all you need to know how they feel about what they saw watching Bo’s game film.



LOL. Man this board is great.



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