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Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:26 am to marshallcotiger
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:26 am to marshallcotiger
You guys are good soldiers I'll give you that
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:42 am to RandySavage
Smith still has all the potential in the world and isn't a bust at all. His slower than imagined start can be disappointing without him being a bust. Like corch said he will be in the NBA for many years. Til he is probably 35 years old.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 12:21 pm to marshallcotiger
quote:This is very literally all they do with him. I've watched way too many of their games, and Udoka's offensive system is just terrible.. probably the worst in the league. They just also happen to be one of the best defenses, so they win a lot.
but the Rockets just sat him in the corner
Every time he's on the floor they put him in the corner and tell him to stay. No screens, no movement off the ball.. nothing. Silas was better for Jabari's development than Ime has been tbh. Meanwhile FVV is terrible at distributing the ball and just jacks up terrible shots. Green misses shot after shot, then forces a drive into a double or triple teams and will still force the shot up instead of hitting Jabari wide open in the corner. Sengun is better than them, but stlll a selfish player.. he will also go at a double or triple team instead of passing to Jabari in the corner.. and don't get me started on that stupid 1 legged fadeaway he does.
So Jabari sits in the corner all game long, about once every 5 minutes or so the ball might touch his hands... that's why his % are lower, he's not involved and by the time he touches the ball he's cold. I'm counting down the days until he's off that team and I'm sure that he is too.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:17 pm to RandySavage
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You guys are good soldiers I'll give you that
Or, maybe......possibly............you're just wrong.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:31 pm to LegendInMyMind
Looks like we might be backing off of Scott.. I think its a good thing if we are. There are plenty of depth guys we can grab. I'd rather hold out for a difference maker and see if we can land one.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:37 pm to RandySavage
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loved jabari, hope he becomes the best player in the NBA. But just because he played for auburn doesn't mean i can't point out the obvious he hasn't lived up to expectations and his ability.
He’s 21 yrs old… this isn’t football my guy. He won’t peak for another four yrs.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:56 pm to lowspark12
This is clearcut and dry. Someone has to go.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:04 pm to jangalang
Here you go, 1978. Stop feeling entitled to receive updates and feed yourself:
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Like corch said he will be in the NBA for many years. Til he is probably 35 years old.
That's great but if he continues to be highly mediocre that's not the value you expect at #3.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:49 pm to lowspark12
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He’s 21 yrs old… this isn’t football my guy. He won’t peak for another four yrs.
I went back and looked at his draft, now that Dyson Daniels has found his niche in Atlanta, Jabari is the least productive player out of the top 8 picks of that draft. Holmgren's goofy arse will prob have a worse career because he won't stay healthy but he's been better when on the court for sure.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 3:04 pm to RandySavage
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I went back and looked at his draft, now that Dyson Daniels has found his niche in Atlanta, Jabari is the least productive player out of the top 8 picks of that draft. Holmgren's goofy arse will prob have a worse career because he won't stay healthy but he's been better when on the court for sure.
Playing on teams that helped them develop.
I mean, look at the Rockets in comparison to OKC. Both are young. Difference is this:
OKC brought in a younger coach that allowed the young talent to develop together before bringing in vets to take them over.
Houston brought in a win now coach and 3 win-now players(FVV, Brooks, Adams) and it's stunted their offensive growth. Houston has more GOOD 1st Rd talent sitting and not playing meaningful minutes than any team in the league.
Green is good but he's selfish and inefficient. Sengun is good, not great. Limited. Thompson is a great athlete and defender but he can't shoot. Jabari is not getting enough shots for a 3rd overall pick who's a tough matchup. Eason won't be much more than he is, 3 & D guy. Reed Sheppard & Cam Whitmore don't even get PT.
This team is winning on talent and defense, but its built stupid and won't develop the young talent PROPERLY.
If I was Jabari, I'd be PRAYING Houston makes a trade with Phoenix for KD and I'm apart of it. He'd be better served to play with Book.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/6/25 at 3:23 pm to thirdlawson
May be true but those are all excuses in the end. Like i said you guys may be right and his career is far from over so maybe he's a ten time all star, i hope so. I'm only speaking about the first three years of his career
Posted on 5/6/25 at 4:42 pm to RandySavage
He has improved though,he's just not in a situation that shows it. One example, going into the draft and his first year in the league, his handles we're pretty bad. He's gotten way better in this area. He can bring the ball up the court pretty reliably now.. he still needs to get better in traffic, but he's gotten better.. A smart coach would have been using his 3rd overall pick in more areas the past couple of years so he developed. Sitting him in the corner all game doesn't help anyone.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 4:51 pm to RandySavage
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Jabari is the least productive player out of the top 8 picks of that draft. Ho
This comment is an example of why people are rolling their eyes at you my man, Jabari has been more productive than Ivey, Sharpe, or Mathurin, all of whom have been career negative value in terms of VORP and have been way worse in terms of win shares (particularly Ivey). Defense and rebounding matter too, as well as offensive efficiency, not just number of points scored per game.
Jabari's 5.6 win shares total from last year is actually higher than anyone in the top 8 outside of Holmgren and Banchero in their careers. Daniels definitely had a better year last year overall, but Jabari wasn't healthy. Jabari had a rough first season, but has been solid but unspectacular the last two.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 5:11 pm to auyushu
He's like 12th on his team in points per minute and has the worst Ast/TO ratio of anyone who actually gets minutes. He has no defensive numbers to speak of, I guess 7 boards a game is decent. He also regressed in almost every statistic from last year so it's not like he's on some positive trajectory. He's not very good, sorry. I don't speak nerd but congrats on the VORP I guess.
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 6:25 pm to RandySavage
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He has no defensive numbers to speak of
You clearly aren't watching him play if you don't think he's been an excellent defender in the NBA, and you clearly don't understand the defensive metrics (or least can't be bothered to learn) based on your nerd comment. Next thing I know you'll tell me Denver Jones wasn't a good defensive player last year because "he had no defensive numbers to speak of". Much like the best cornerbacks aren't typically the ones with the most interceptions, the best defenders aren't necessarily the ones with the most counting stats.
Tahaad had 11 more steals and 1 more block than Denver last year, but nobody in their right mind would consider Tahaad anywhere close to him defensively. And that's the entire reason defensive metrics exist on sites like basketball reference.
And yeah, he regressed last year from the year before, mostly due to injury. Shocking that someone regressed from the year before when they spent a quarter of the season with major injuries, particularly recovering from a broken hand.
So far he has been average offensively, but his defense has been very good.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 5/6/25 at 8:04 pm to RandySavage
It’s not worth much Randy, but I’m closer to you than most here. However, I have the same caveat as others - he is especially young and he’s on a team with identity issues
The dribbling and ball handling knock is still present and he’s on a team where’s he’s not going to get much of a chance to improve there
He’s not a super star but I think he’s still a high level contributor
The dribbling and ball handling knock is still present and he’s on a team where’s he’s not going to get much of a chance to improve there
He’s not a super star but I think he’s still a high level contributor
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:01 pm to TheJones
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:03 pm to TheJones
I think Jabari and Okoro are definitely “busts” relative to their draft positions. Okoro is teetering on being out of the league in the next 2-3 years. Jabari on the other hand will have a 12-14 year career and make a lot of money.
Kessler is a prime candidate to get traded soon and have a good role on a contender though
Kessler is a prime candidate to get traded soon and have a good role on a contender though
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:07 pm to TheJones
No one is saying he’s all nba… but labeling a 21 yr old a bust is some silly retard levels of ball knowledge. It shows a real lack of understanding just what an nba bust looks like.
Jabari is well on his way to having a solid nba career… with the lack of ball handling he may never be a top 20 player. But that’s not a bust… 90% of first round picks are out of the league in 5 yrs… that won’t be Jabari.
Jabari is well on his way to having a solid nba career… with the lack of ball handling he may never be a top 20 player. But that’s not a bust… 90% of first round picks are out of the league in 5 yrs… that won’t be Jabari.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 9:09 pm
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