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re: Auburn police have arrested 16 y/o for manslaughter in death of RB and wife

Posted on 7/2/19 at 12:52 am to
Posted by Lee County Tiger
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 12:52 am to
If it was a blood test, and he smoked every day chronically, then it can stay in your system for 25-30 days.


But typically, it'll last for 1-2 days in a blood test. And with the original report being that he fell asleep behind the wheel, that does add an extra layer to the impairment call.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 5:24 am to
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If it was a blood test, and he smoked every day chronically, then it can stay in your system for 25-30 days.


But typically, it'll last for 1-2 days in a blood test
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Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 6:57 am to
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dont disagree with him being charged. AT ALL. But as much as i dont disagree with him being charged, i DO disagree with him being charged as an adult.


Read the statue he was charged under, they had to charge him as an adult.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 7/2/19 at 8:01 am to
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Illinois legislature changed the DUI laws in Illinois to provide that you could be charged with driving Under the Influence of Marijuana only if you had five or more nanograms of THC (the active ingredient of marijuana) in your blood, or 10 or more nanograms of THC in your saliva.

Medical studies have shown that blood and saliva do not absorb THC very well. Once you ingest marijuana, the THC will enter the bloodstream and the saliva but the THC levels will ball drop off rather quickly. THC likes to go to the fatty parts of the body. The brain is mostly composed of fat. That’s what causes a person who ingests marijuana to feel “high”.
This is how Illinois views a THC DUI
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Colorado law specifies that drivers with five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in their whole blood can be prosecuted for driving under the influence (DUI).
And Colorado

These states obviously are more lax on weed than Alabama, but they have set a standard for impairment.

ETA: I did see where chronic users can have prolonged THC levels, but it seems like the studies indicate the blood THC level of a chronic user would be well under 5 if that person hadn’t consumed it recently
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 8:08 am
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 8:17 am to
They had to charge him as an Adult, but as I understand it a Judge can then remand it to Juvenile court. Like most kids at Lee Scott, Johnston's family will be able to provide good legal advice, etc. As an adult the penalty is 2-20, but since he has no criminal record, I doubt he actually serves any time.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 8:38 am to
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A 16 year old that drove irresponsibly is different than a 16 year old that shot a shopkeeper. One was stupid and one was intentional. There is a huge difference.



That's why he was charged with manslaughter and not murder
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 9:04 am to
It all depends on the facts of the case to be honest. You could murder someone with a baseball bat through the heat of passion only if it didn’t require meditation( driving home to get a bat) and only get manslaughter. The same offense for bending over to reach your phone and accidentally running over a pedestrian on the crosswalk.
Posted by Rhymenoceros
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 9:10 am to
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It all depends on the facts of the case to be honest. You could murder someone with a baseball bat through the heat of passion only if it didn’t require meditation( driving home to get a bat) and only get manslaughter.


What you are describing is more along the distinction between first and second degree murder. Intent is the major aspect of all homicide cases. First = premeditated/planned; Second = intentional, but more spur of the moment; Manslaughter = you were negligent/reckless and loss of life was a significant risk of your actions, but you didnt intent to hurt anyone.

That's a very simplistic definition and the lines et blurred between them often, but that's what I recall from my crim-pro classes in law school.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 9:47 am to
LINK

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On June 28, 2019 the Auburn Police division received a report from the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency’s Traffic Homicide Unit including data confirming that Taylor‘s vehicle was accelerating from 89 to 91 mph when the crash occurred; no braking was indicated. The posted speed limit for that section of Shug Jordan Parkway is 55 mph.


Does marijuana in his system even matter any more?
Posted by Rhymenoceros
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 9:58 am to
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Taylor‘s vehicle was accelerating from 89 to 91 mph when the crash occurred


How this kid is alive is mind boggling.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:14 am to
I agree that he should be charged with negligent homicide instead of manslaughter.

Driving at that speed, on that road, at a time when there's a high probability of other vehicles (particularly stopped at an intersection), is the very definition of criminal negligence.

Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:19 am to
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greygoose



Keep it civil or go somewhere else!
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:16 am to
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Does marijuana in his system even matter any more?



No. The manslaughter charge warranted by the high speed.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:17 am to
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How this kid is alive is mind boggling.
not only alive, but just minor injuries
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
891 posts
Posted on 7/2/19 at 12:55 pm to
If you are stoned and going 90, how in the world do you not have your eyes on the road and see that there is traffic stopped at a red light? If he was going around the speed limit, I could understand if he was searching for his phone or something, but going 90? That's super aggressive driving, and it's hard to believe he didn't notice the light. Maybe there's something to his claim that he fell asleep.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 7/2/19 at 1:19 pm to
And the report also stated his speed was accelerating, so it seems logical that he did fall asleep, and his foot was still on the gas pedal causing the acceleration...

Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 7/2/19 at 3:52 pm to
He was supposedly high coming back from the lake. And as far as duration goes, a hair test can show THC up to 90 days.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 5:06 pm to
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If you are stoned and going 90



Dude if you are driving stoned, you are not going 90 mph.
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
891 posts
Posted on 7/2/19 at 6:05 pm to
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Dude if you are driving stoned, you are not going 90 mph.


If you're stoned and asleep you might. But if you're stoned and awake and going 90, then you're suicidal.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 8:56 pm to
I’m convinced he fell asleep while his foot was on the pedal
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