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Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:16 pm to jvilletiger25
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:16 pm to jvilletiger25
Reading meta’s post reaffirms my belief that he was about expected but could’ve been a lot worse
Potato gang lives on
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:24 pm to jangalang
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Potato gang
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:25 pm to metafour
Which one of the coordinators are responsible for preventing a bunch of fumbles on Offense?
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:28 pm to PrisonMike
wouldnt mind looking at who is calling the plays at Wake Forest.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:32 pm to ChexMix
I recently read an article about Wake Forest’s success. I think it’s the head coach that is calling plays. The guy has an interesting tweak that he has implemented based on his personnel. Smart guy. But I doubt he would take an OC position.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 3:54 pm to jvilletiger25
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I looked at total offensive stats:
Auburn #63
ASU #66
You are looking at Total Yards-per-Game.
What about this is complicated? If you have the ball, and you turn it over - you can't run any more plays on that drive and now must wait to get the ball back. If you aren't running plays, then you aren't picking up yards. Furthermore, if you don't have the ball, then you aren't scoring points.
If you look deeper at their underlying stats, Arizona State had a very functionally above-average offense...apart from turning the ball over a shite-ton (mainly fumbles lost). The success or failure of an offensive coordinator is measured by their ability to call and execute plays which pick up an above-average amount of yards per play. Doing this means that you will convert first downs. Converting first downs is the key to scoring on offense. Even the most explosive offenses can only score on so many big-yardage plays, hence the best offenses are typically those that can CONSISTENTLY move the chains.
If you look at those other metrics I posted, we ranked nowhere near Arizona State. So even though we slotted a few spots behind them in "Yards Per Game", the actual offensive efficacy isn't comparable at all.
What an offensive coordinator doesn't have control over: his players dropping the football. Do you believe that Zak Hill was calling some magical plays that were so bad that they made his players drop the football? Do you understand the difference between things one has control over, and things they don't?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:01 pm to metafour
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You are looking at Total Yards-per-Game.
No, I’m looking at total offense. That’s yards, points, rushing, passing, every metric combined for the entire season. Quit trying to polish a turd. Hill would be an underwhelming hire, just like Bobo was.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:07 pm to jvilletiger25
Ummm total offense is ranked by YPG
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:17 pm to AA7
Ah, ok. Still turnovers this year doesn’t explain why he has only 1 top 25 offense in 5 years. Underwhelming
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:21 pm to jvilletiger25
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What this means is that they didn't have a problem moving the ball or converting pivotal downs and moving the chains. What they had a problem with was giving the ball away. Turnovers mean that you get to run less plays (hence why they ranked nearly dead last in plays-per-game), which means that your "yards per game" take a hit, as does your "points per game".
Zak Hill seems like a lateral move at best. Yay.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:22 pm to AA7
Yards per Play:
Arizona State - 6.37
Auburn - 5.84
Some other offenses for reference:
OSU- 7.78
Ole Miss - 6.55
Bama - 6.64
Tennessee - 6.5
Michigan - 6.41
Oklahoma - 6.78
Clemson - 5.25
LSU - 5.34
Arizona State - 6.37
Auburn - 5.84
Some other offenses for reference:
OSU- 7.78
Ole Miss - 6.55
Bama - 6.64
Tennessee - 6.5
Michigan - 6.41
Oklahoma - 6.78
Clemson - 5.25
LSU - 5.34
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:27 pm to DutchValleyTiger
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Zak Hill seems like a lateral move at best.
Definitely not someone you fire Bobo for.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:29 pm to TheJones
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You’re proud of this one
I’m peacocking because of my avi-sig combo. It’s the real deal.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:31 pm to jangalang
Ah. I don’t see either on mobile
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:32 pm to jvilletiger25
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Definitely not someone you fire Bobo for.
Yeah, but Harsin is running the program his way. Hiring the best OC in the land isn’t going to mean a hill of beans if Harsin doesn’t let him run the offense his way. Harsin’s hire, Harsin’s baby.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:32 pm to jvilletiger25
Zak Hill wouldn't be a home run but he's a solid OC. You can bend the stats to say whatever you want about him but bottom line is he knows what Harsin wants to do and shares his philosophy. As a playcaller, that's what Harsin needs to build a program. Guys like Briles, Mullen, or McGee weren't going to be considered because they don't fit that mold. It's not realistic to judge him against candidates who would have never been considered by the guy doing the hiring. Based on what we know about Harsin, why would we expect him to chase a name over his philosophy?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:37 pm to AUEE13
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It's not realistic to judge him against candidates who would have never been considered by the guy doing the hiring. Based on what we know about Harsin, why would we expect him to chase a name over his philosophy?
I think Harsin knows he can’t afford another 6-6 season. I also think he wants to win big and is willing to do whatever it takes.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:37 pm to AUEE13
Welcome to the Plains Coach Hill.
How do I apply to become part of the potato gang and Cam Fairley jimmy rustlers?
How do I apply to become part of the potato gang and Cam Fairley jimmy rustlers?
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:37 pm to AUEE13
Well said.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 4:40 pm to metafour
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Arizona State had a very functionally above-average offense...apart from turning the ball over a shite-ton
Cannot compute
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