re: 2023 Recruiting

At $5 million a year almost everyone other then about 7-10 coaches

Don't want to get the recruiting thread on this tangent so not gonna respond. Just pointing out the current recruiting situation and our lack of patience

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In today’s atmosphere, why not spend that buyout money on a couple of top 5 classes and see what Harsin could do with it though?

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Because that assumes that Bryan Harsin wants to do that and is OK with that "team building" philosophy. At the end of the day he decides who the team wants to recruit and sign.

Do you know anything about Bryan Harsin? Do you know anything about the "Boise State System" that he personifies? Do you listen when he opines in his interviews about what is important, who gets to play, etc, etc?

He will never open up and say anything about it because using NIL to lure recruits isn't supposed to be going on, but I can almost guarantee you that even IF Jimmy Rane and company wanted to fund a Texas A&M style pay-for-play system, he would not want to go with it. It goes completely against his entire philosophy and literally everything that is stressed at Boise State where he came from.

You really need to understand for real that Boise State is a nothing-school in the middle of nowhere which flipped off the "traditional powers" by out-working and finding a way to develop a system that let them compete when they shouldn't have been able to "on paper". That breeds a lot of arrogance in the coaches that come out of there.

He actually believes the stuff that he talks about. Some of that may prove to be delusion, but he's going to go down with the ship believing it. So when you hear the reporters talk about how the staff isn't worried about the perception of how well recruiting is going or missing on so and so...it's because he thinks that he has a plan and a system that will transcend the way teams normally recruit in the SEC. Because of that, he does not believe that HS kids who haven't done anything in college and yet want hundreds of thousands of dollars (or millions) to sign with the highest bidder, are going to meet his standards. He is, in fact, looking for "lunch pail and hardhat" type guys.

A lot to unpack there.

Recruits at Auburn are getting NIL deals. To Metafour’s point, I don’t think Auburn is anywhere close to doing what A&M has been discussed doing but the best guys in each of these classes are getting paid still.

It is also obvious that his staff is targeting those blue collar kids as mentioned. But before the 3* U replies start flying — that doesn’t preclude top guys. Russaw and James Smith come to mind here. I don’t think Auburn is landing either of them but those are two of the hardest working kids in the state.

Anyway, like you said, we’ll see how realistic or delusional this philosophy ends up being. Can Auburn successfully recruit those kind of kids? The answer to that is probably the answer to whether or not Harsin makes it past 2023.

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That puts him in the bottom half of the SEC as far as salaries go.

Hell, since Pittman and Kiffin got raises after last year he's tied for last in the SEC West with Leach. And there's at least three SEC East HCs making more than him now as well (Kirb, Napier and Stoops).

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I mean, if he ever starts winning anything his salary will be increased like was the case with all those coaches you just named. Those guys got raises for performance related reasons.

I don't see what point you are trying to make. Harsin's starting salary ($5 mill) when we was hired was basically middle-pack in the SEC without him ever having coached in a game in this conference. His starting salary was more than what Tenn hired Heupel at. The only guys who made more than him were the obvious ones (Saban, Smart, Orgeron, etc).

Stoops, Pittman, Kiffin, etc. won games and got new contracts. As they should. Are you trying to imply that Harsin is underpaid LOL?

He’s responding to Corch (who seemingly suggested at Harsin’s pay point that we could have hired anyone with exception of 5-7 guys) FWIW. I think you both agree here

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You really need to understand for real that Boise State is a nothing-school in the middle of nowhere which flipped off the "traditional powers" by out-working and finding a way to develop a system that let them compete when they shouldn't have been able to "on paper". That breeds a lot of arrogance in the coaches that come out of there

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Well, Harsin better understand he is coaching one of those “traditional powers” now. I hope he wins, because I don’t see anyone available right now that’s any better. But beating up on PAC12 schools with a less talented roster is a whole different animal than trying to do it in the SEC.

What's the story on the kid from Phenix City committing to Penn State?

UGA and Clemson were both assumed favorites throughout the spring and he somewhat randomly committed to PSU. Auburn and Alabama both talked to him a lot. He was pretty much out on Auburn after 2 different DL coaches that recruited him weren’t there anymore. Clemson and UGA people think they passed. Bama’s recruiting people had him way, way down the board.

I don’t know if Auburn would have taken him because we weren’t really involved but Bama, UGA, and Clemson didn’t seem to want him. And it seemed like he was bound to leave the state from the start

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But it ain’t looking like a great class either.

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Neither posi or nega, but trying rank and evaluate individual, players, recruiting classes is a crapshoot for the most part once past the top 3-5 classes nationwide.

I want frickers in this class that are willing to buy in, give it their best on and off the field, are appreciative of their chance to represent Auburn, who will fight for each other and their coaches, for their / AU pride, and who are willing to work. JMO.



ETA that as this is a message board, everyone is more than free to shite on AU, our coaching staff, whine, complain, etc. But when all is said and done and debated, our entire program, our players, staff, family, deserves every bit of support we can give, and we can give a shitton, or we can be be whiny arse POS's. I am 100% behind Coach Harsin, entering his 2ND year. Whether for show, or not, he is pulling the better strings, showing up, and putting in a lot of WORK. HARD WORK. I don't think I am wrong. Please get behind our players, this team, our coaches, our university and let the season play out. Just a gut feeling, but I think a large number of us will be pleased with our Auttitude, fight, and grit come fall ball.

ETA2 none of us, nor anyone in the sportsworld should ever doubt the CBP effect. It is contagious and he is as good as it gets. Hoops season is over, with hopefully Jabari going #1, he has brought in possibly the best class in AU hoops history to mesh with our vets (Allen, HD, ZEP, WGJr. this is YOUR YEAR! WDE!) and look at our gymnastics and now small ball success. It is invaluable. We have one of the most motivational speakers in the sportsworld on our campus, day in, day out, and he LOVES all things Auburn. Do you think he is 100% behind and supporting the shite out of Harsin and AU football, or not? Get behind our coaches and team or GTFO.