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re: 2022-23 Auburn basketball season thread- 21-13 (10-9) Season over

Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:14 am to
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:14 am to
We’ll be lucky to go 9-9 in SEC play.

Hope this is a wake up call for Bruce to recruit some better guards.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:15 am to
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Hopefully we can get in the tourney.


Posted by SingleMalt1973
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:18 am to
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Hope this is a wake up call for Bruce to recruit some better guards.


At some point he is gonna have to sit KD and let Wesrty get his minutes. I don’t know if he is hurt, but he isn’t gonna get better sitting on the bench. I would rather watch a Fresman have 8 TOs a game vs a JR. KD is getting worse and the stats show it. Westry might get better.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:29 am to
Earlier in the week they said they are just working to get him back to 100%. I think he will get another shot soon. Have to with KD and WG playing like this. Donaldson and Zep aren’t exactly lighting it up but I would like them to get the lions share of minutes and lean on the front court for now.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:35 am to
KD, Wen, and Al have shown zero development over their careers. In fact, they were all better earlier.

I can't even tell what our offense is trying to do. It's pretty bad when Broome desperation 3s or Broome from 8 feet is our best choice.

Zep is scared to shoot.

This team isn't fun to watch and honestly might give me an ulcer by the end of the season.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9993 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:40 am to
I kinda disagree in that I didn’t think we took horrible shots last night. We just don’t have guys that can finish. Wendell took a couple of dumb threes but other than that we took open looks from 3 and bunnies around the rim most of the game. We just lack bucket getters on this roster.

We have no chance with Jaylin playing like he did last night against a top 100 KenPom team on the road.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45148 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:23 am to
Bruce needs blame. WG was inconsistent last year and we didn't find a solution.
Posted by attalla
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
1397 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:28 am to
Nyc, agree. Shoots were ok except for the dumb out of control layups. Our offense isn’t good enough to overcome the TO’s. That’s why I like Zep at PG. Zep isn’t perfect, but he makes better decisions and less TO’s.
Posted by TailbackU
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:33 am to
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I didn’t think we took horrible shots last night.


What bothered me more (and has for a few games) is that we now seem to hesitate to shoot instead of just taking the shot in flow. That can’t be good for mechanics. Shooting is a rhythm thing. KD and WG have decent form if they’ll just shoot in rhythm. Flanagan is a lost cause. He shouldn’t take any shots past about 10’. His mechanics are horrible and have gotten worse over the years
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 8:36 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:35 am to
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KD, Wen, and Al have shown zero development over their careers. In fact, they were all better earlier.

KD led Georgia to beating Auburn basically by himself as a true freshman. He played strong and physical.

His regression is unexplainable. Even without the deep range shot, he should still be savvy enough to affect the game in other areas.
Posted by ThaiTiger24
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:42 am to
So at what point are we allowed to start criticizing Bruce for our team’s development? Some people think we can never criticize him because we sucked before we hired him, but surely at some point we need to start seeing improvement correct? I feel like our teams overall have regressed the last several years.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 8:43 am
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9993 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:43 am to
Guys that play with the confidence and chaos he plays with can be delicate. He's mentally in a hole right now.

Traore and Westry being zeroes for us this year has shocked me and at the end of the day they were huge reasons for my optimism going into this season.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51293 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:47 am to
Bruce has characteristically had a couple throw away seasons here or there and then he will lead us to contending for titles the next year.

Posted by ThaiTiger24
Member since Jan 2016
4247 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:48 am to
Traore and Westry being zeroes for us this year has shocked me and at the end of the day they were huge reasons for my optimism going into this season. Which essentially means that we are a close replica of last year’s team minus Kessler and Smith and with the addition of Broome.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9993 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:49 am to
I mean our last 5-6 years of basketball has been arguably better than any stretch our football program has ever had. We aren’t going to be #1 or win an SEC title every season. Which is basically what we have done every year other than the Covid year since 2017.

Edit: '82-'89 Auburn football might rival it but it's close.

At the end of the day the program is still in great shape just gotta get better guards. And we have a really dang good one on the way.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 8:53 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:08 am to
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Hope this is a wake up call for Bruce to recruit some better guards.



This. He missed big time on guards.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:34 am to
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So at what point are we allowed to start criticizing Bruce for our team’s development?

I would say when we see multiple years in a row of struggling.
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Some people think we can never criticize him because we sucked before we hired him, but surely at some point we need to start seeing improvement correct?

I mean… we won the conference last year and were ranked #1 at one point. Middle of the year they were without a doubt the best team in the country. Ended up peaking too early.
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I feel like our teams overall have regressed the last several years.

21-22: Struggled at the end of the year but still one of the best basketball teams in Auburn history.

20-21: Not good at all but was also a perfect storm of bad. Youngest/least experienced team in the country, COVID, and were without starting PG and best player for most of the year.

19-20: I think this team had potential for a deep tournament run. As veteran of a team as you can have that had their season cut short by COVID.

18-19: Caught absolute fire at the end of the year.

When two of the last four teams are two of the best in program history, I don’t think you can say the program in on a clear-cut regression.

I think it’s more than fair to criticize Bruce for this team itself. Nowhere near ready to criticize him for how he runs the program/questioning if we can do better, because we can’t.
Posted by ThaiTiger24
Member since Jan 2016
4247 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:41 am to
That’s fair.
Posted by CallFoy
Member since Oct 2022
1262 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:05 am to
The key word here is "missed". They certainly have targeted and been in the running for some quality guards. G League bit him on a couple and others just chose a different school. They're going to need to close on some of these players with the help of NIL to keep the train rolling. I have faith in Bruce & Co. and Aden seems to be a good start. When you only take 3-5 players each cycle, you don't have much room for error. This season looks like it's going to be a tough pill to swallow but I see better days ahead.

If it makes you feel a little better, just remember what we looked like in the Barbee years . We've actually come a loooong way.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9993 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:14 am to
Roster shooting issue to me really stems from the 2 recruiting classes in a row where we signed Jaylin Williams, Moore, Cardwell, Powell, Cambridge, Flanigan, Akingbola Cooper, Thor.

Only one of those guys was a good shooter coming out of high school and of course he is gone. There has to be some shooters mixed in with the 3-4 year guys that eventually make up the core of your team. You can't just fix shooting through the transfer portal unless you are UK and people line up to come play for you.

As others have noted, and I think especially when recruiting freshmen that you can mold over time, maybe flip the point of emphasis from athlete first to shooting first with at least one scholarship per year.
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