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re: Thoughts on the MARTA expansion plans?
Posted on 5/28/18 at 7:09 pm to tylerdurden24
Posted on 5/28/18 at 7:09 pm to tylerdurden24
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I was referring to the asinine notion that the north metro counties had regarding Marta being the harbinger of crime.
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 12:00 pm to VinegarStrokes
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So you judge both cities based on one drive you made two weeks ago? Gotcha.
Ya that’s it. There’s always one know it all who just can’t have a civil conversation without an ill informed sarcastic comment. Congrats on being that guy.
I’ve lived here longer than you’ve been around likely. I go to Houston 5-6 times per year and Dallas 4-5.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 2:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
MARTA's first priority needs to be to be heavy rail extension all the way up 400 to Alpharetta (at least Windward Parkway), all the way up 85 to Duluth/Lawrenceville, and all the way up 75 to Marietta. I think a lot of people would take a train from those north suburbs (particularly an express train to the change stations).
Posted on 5/29/18 at 2:13 pm to elposter
rail to STP or even Town Center mall in Kennesaw would be great
Posted on 5/29/18 at 2:32 pm to elposter
The cost of such a project is astronomical.
It was astronomical 25 years ago. It is still the same with inflation.
Would it benefit the community? Yes. Would it be solvent? I don't know. The amount needed for 1 of those expansions would look like building a new shuttle program to the moon.
It was astronomical 25 years ago. It is still the same with inflation.
Would it benefit the community? Yes. Would it be solvent? I don't know. The amount needed for 1 of those expansions would look like building a new shuttle program to the moon.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:56 am to elposter
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MARTA's first priority needs to be to be heavy rail extension all the way up 400 to Alpharetta (at least Windward Parkway), all the way up 85 to Duluth/Lawrenceville, and all the way up 75 to Marietta. I think a lot of people would take a train from those north suburbs (particularly an express train to the change stations).
I believe that is on the docket. But not so sure on people using it. Marta takes a long time. The only way people would use it, is if there is an express train. It would be more used for the people trying to get to their jobs up in Alpharetta, just like Dunwoody
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:59 am to tylerdurden24
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Lived here all my life. I was referring to the asinine notion that the north metro counties had regarding Marta being the harbinger of crime. I was saying that crime finds a way to get to where it wants to go
It is not a cause for crime or the sole conduit for crime(we have people from other parts of town all the time stealing shite. But it definitely is a conduit for some folks that can increase crime
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:26 am to elposter
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all the way up 85 to Duluth/Lawrenceville
Mall of Georgia
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:56 am to Tigertown in ATL
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Ya that’s it. There’s always one know it all who just can’t have a civil conversation without an ill informed sarcastic comment. Congrats on being that guy.
I’ve lived here longer than you’ve been around likely. I go to Houston 5-6 times per year and Dallas 4-5.
I asked you a question based on your idiotic post. If you can't answer like an adult, then fine.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:25 am to NYCAuburn
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I believe that is on the docket. But not so sure on people using it. Marta takes a long time. The only way people would use it, is if there is an express train. It would be more used for the people trying to get to their jobs up in Alpharetta, just like Dunwoody
I agree. They would have to make it faster and an express train would be necessary. I live in Decatur and work in Alpharetta and if I could do MARTA in anything less than an hour (and no buses) I absolutely would. Right now if I wanted to do it, it would be around 2 hours with a long arse bus ride from North Springs to Alpharetta. frick that.
In the end Atlanta may just be too decentralized for rail system to fix the traffic problem unless the basically doubled the current infrastructure/routes. That may not ever be feasible.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:46 pm to elposter
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In the end Atlanta may just be too decentralized for rail system to fix the traffic problem unless the basically doubled the current infrastructure/routes. That may not ever be feasible.
4 things are going against it.
plenty of parking in the city for the most part. Yeah there is a cost sometimes, but parking is still readily available
Speed of transit vs Car commute. unless its just a short trip, it is usually faster to drive
not enough stops or trains. wait time is awful in many spots and with ATL heat nobody wants to walk a mile to their destination
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:57 pm to NYCAuburn
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not enough stops or trains. wait time is awful in many spots and with ATL heat nobody wants to walk a mile to their destination
This is the biggest one. Sprawled out suburbs and no one willing to take the hike to the Marta station.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:02 pm to VinegarStrokes
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you judge both cities based on one drive you made two weeks ago? Gotcha.
That’s an adult question?
In any event I answered your question.
If you don’t think 15mph on 85 at 2 in the afternoon is bad I don’t kniw what to say.
I get the need to defend your city but like I said I’m guessing I’ve been here longer than you and ATL is a traffic shitshow.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:21 am to Tigertown in ATL
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If you don’t think 15mph on 85 at 2 in the afternoon is bad I don’t kniw what to say.
I get the need to defend your city but like I said I’m guessing I’ve been here longer than you and ATL is a traffic shitshow.
You guessed wrong, douchebag.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:21 am to Tigertown in ATL
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I've been in Houston and Dallas in rush hour. Atlanta is worse. They are far far better in off times. Only place I have ever been that is as bad as Atlanta is L.A.
Dallas has far better infrastructure and more options to get to more places via major arteries.
I'm not particularly impressed with the proposals, they won't be of any use to me at all, but if they take some people off the roads I guess it'll help.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:25 am to Rhino5
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not enough stops or trains. wait time is awful in many spots and with ATL heat nobody wants to walk a mile to their destination
This is the biggest one. Sprawled out suburbs and no one willing to take the hike to the Marta station.
Yes. A lot of people would hold their nose and ride marta if it was relatively convenient. It's not, and it would take massive spending to make it so, if it were even possible. Most people are not going to ride buses. It will never happen. If that is what is necessary to make marta usable for the average Atlantan, we shouldn't throw money at it.
The second "problem" is the one nobody wants to talk about.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:32 am to Pettifogger
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Dallas has far better infrastructure and more options to get to more places via major arteries.
It's also spread out over Dallas and Fort Worth, as well as suburbs extending all over in each direction and, like you said, tons of arteries to get between, around and in and out between the two. The Atlanta Metro basically extends 50 miles north/south (from GA20 in the north to Jonesboro/Stockbridge/Palmetto in the south). The Atlanta Metro extends roughly 50 miles east/west as well (from Loganville/Covington/Lawrenceville in the East to Douglasville/Dallas/Chattahoochee Hills in the West).
The Dallas Metro extends almost 75 miles East to West (Mesquite to Weatherford) and 40-50 miles North to South (Denton to Burleson).
DFW has 2 interstates E/W (30 & 20) along with about 3-4 versions of GA400 along with 35E & 35W N/S. And on top of that they have perimeters around Dallas and Fort Worth in addition to multiple other State and Federal highways that are built as interstates in between.
Atlanta has 2 N/S interstates, and those 2 turn into 1 for the busiest part of the trip. Atlanta has 1 E/W interstate and only a couple of state highways that act as interstates, and 1 of them is basically at the edge of the region (316). Part of what makes Atlanta endearing to me and others is also what makes it a traffic nightmare : tons of trees, small highways and tucked away neighborhoods and independent older cities.
And with all that, DFW still has traffic issues.
Atlanta (as a region in terms of setup and interstate issues) is much more similar to Washington DC than the Texas cities.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
The engineers claim that expanding existing roads and building more won't alleviate traffic issues.
I don't think we'll ever truly get past being a city that suffers from bad traffic, but I do think more options would help somewhat (if they were feasible, which I'm not sure they are). And I contrast that against major investment in marta toward the same objective (reducing traffic), and I'm not sure the investment is worthwhile.
All that said, expansion of marta may be needed not for reduction in traffic, but rather due to increasing density in parts of Atlanta. In other words, not just to improve commutes, but to make it possible for people who may end up living without cars (due to decreasing parking availability) to commute at all. So in that way, it might be a solution to a new problem, rather than yet another attempt to solve an old one.
I don't think we'll ever truly get past being a city that suffers from bad traffic, but I do think more options would help somewhat (if they were feasible, which I'm not sure they are). And I contrast that against major investment in marta toward the same objective (reducing traffic), and I'm not sure the investment is worthwhile.
All that said, expansion of marta may be needed not for reduction in traffic, but rather due to increasing density in parts of Atlanta. In other words, not just to improve commutes, but to make it possible for people who may end up living without cars (due to decreasing parking availability) to commute at all. So in that way, it might be a solution to a new problem, rather than yet another attempt to solve an old one.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:05 am to VinegarStrokes
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You guessed wrong, douchebag.
The name calling threw me off.
So defensive too.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:02 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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The name calling threw me off.
So defensive too.
I figured it was your piss poor reading comprehension that threw you off. Based on your ability to take my question and turn it into me somehow defending Atlanta's traffic situation, I'd say that's still probably it. Not once did I say anything about the traffic being fine.
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