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Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:52 am
Since I can't get approval to post on the UGA board, and since I have no desire to post on SECR, I figured I'd post this here...
If Tech can't find a way to beat UGA this year, then I don't see us winning again for the forseeable future. Good Lord have mercy
If Tech can't find a way to beat UGA this year, then I don't see us winning again for the forseeable future. Good Lord have mercy
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:18 am to VinegarStrokes
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have mercy
No!
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:30 am to VinegarStrokes
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Since I can't get approval to post on the UGA board, and since I have no desire to post on SECR, I figured I'd post this here...
If Tech can't find a way to beat UGA this year, then I don't see us winning again for the forseeable future. Good Lord have mercy
What are your thoughts on PJ? Keep him and just deal with it, or try and shake things up? I've got a lot of Tech grad friends who kind of like the contrarian style and are ok with him, but I think they're pretty casual fans as well.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:20 pm to fibonaccisquared
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What are your thoughts on PJ?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:21 pm to VinegarStrokes
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If Tech can't find a way to beat UGA this year, then I don't see us winning again for the forseeable future. Good Lord have mercy
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:21 pm to VinegarStrokes
The extension was mind boggling
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:35 pm to DawgCountry
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The extension was mind boggling
No, not really. I think most coaches tend to get an active contract long enough to convince players that they will be around for their entire career.
I heard that his buyout wasn't affected at all, meaning that the extra years won't increase the amount that is owed to him if we were to fire him.
Because of that, I don't mind the extension to much. I've seen too many times where AD's overreact to one good year and give a coach way too much (see Paul Hewitt). The newish AD has acknowledged that the AA hasn't supported the football program as much as our neighboring rivals have (assistant coaches' salaries, number of people/analysts in the recruiting office, etc). We are building a new locker room, we are hiring more recruiting support, and our AD is supposedly working with the school to make things easier.
All that to say, our AD is trying and I wouldn't mind seeing what Johnson could do with a little more help.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:21 pm to VinegarStrokes
So Tech and UGA are interesting to me, almost a case study. I used to live in the suburbs of Atlanta but don't anymore. I think UGA is committed to achieving the success of like Alabama and being in contention to win year after year.
Ga. Tech to me seems sort of the opposite, the football team is just there but not a priority. Academics is the focal point and that's their bread and butter.
Ga. Tech to me seems sort of the opposite, the football team is just there but not a priority. Academics is the focal point and that's their bread and butter.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:39 pm to DoubleDown
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Ga. Tech to me seems sort of the opposite, the football team is just there but not a priority. Academics is the focal point and that's their bread and butter.
Which is dumb because you can be good at both, and the success of one can do nothing but help the success of the other.
Tech's main problem probably stems from them not having any degree programs that are Bachelor's of Arts degrees. Every degree is a science degree which has much more stringent requirements (to stay eligible and to get into school in the first place). Arrogant Tech fans/alum like to say that kids can't cut it at Tech (probably to make themselves feel better about the losing), but in reality it's just a matter of the different requirements between a BA and a BS.
The second primary issue that I see now (and it'll be more of a longterm problem than a short term problem) is that the younger generation of fans just don't really like the offense we run all that much. My fellow classmates and friends from the 2003-2008 time period are not buying season tickets (or single game for that matter) and are only going if someone gives them tickets.
Now keep in mind, we all went to school in the Chan Gailey/Reggie Ball era. We never saw GT beat UGA. Under Johnson, we've scored a lot more points and have beaten UGA 3 times (in 10 years), and probably should have won 2 more (one, our NFL top 10 receiver D. Thomas dropped a wide open pass on 4th and 10 as we were driving to score the game winning touchdown, and two we blew a 20-0 lead and lost in overtime....sound familiar?). Yet, with all that, young people are not going to games.
Our old alum and donors are going to die off and there will be no one there to pick up the slack. All because a large number don't care for our current style and are bored by the program and team because of it.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:16 pm to VinegarStrokes
10 yrs averaging barely over 6 wins is worth seeing what he could do with a little more help? 
Don’t get me wrong I hope he’s there forever but I’m surprised tech fans aren’t demanding more. The few I know weren’t happy with the extension
Don’t get me wrong I hope he’s there forever but I’m surprised tech fans aren’t demanding more. The few I know weren’t happy with the extension
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:27 pm to DawgCountry
If you are going to be obtuse and disrespectful about it then there is no point in providing a response. I laid out specifically what the problems were and how the new AD was going about changing those things.
If you have no insight into the workings of the program, then you can keep your to yourself.
I also stated that I wasn't a fan, but that I understand why it was done.
If you have no insight into the workings of the program, then you can keep your
to yourself. I also stated that I wasn't a fan, but that I understand why it was done.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:47 pm to VinegarStrokes
As a Georgia fan, thanks for the candid response. It's nice to hear from a level headed fan of another program.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:40 am to VinegarStrokes
What's baffled me about tech is that there has never been a real emphasis placed on recruiting.
Georgia has Athens, but hell, tech has fricking Atlanta! I understand not being able to recruit top-flight QB's and running backs due to the style of offense not being conducive to getting to the NFL, but why can't tech get some elite defensive talent? They've sent some defensive players to the NFL under Johnson, but they aren't getting, or even attempting to get elite talent in on the front end.
They struggled recruiting anyway, but Johnson just seems to totally snub his nose at it and think himself above it. They routinely finish outside the top 50 in recruiting. 50! Kentucky and Wazu regularly finish ahead of them. How the hell is that possible when you're a power 5 school based in ATL?
Georgia has Athens, but hell, tech has fricking Atlanta! I understand not being able to recruit top-flight QB's and running backs due to the style of offense not being conducive to getting to the NFL, but why can't tech get some elite defensive talent? They've sent some defensive players to the NFL under Johnson, but they aren't getting, or even attempting to get elite talent in on the front end.
They struggled recruiting anyway, but Johnson just seems to totally snub his nose at it and think himself above it. They routinely finish outside the top 50 in recruiting. 50! Kentucky and Wazu regularly finish ahead of them. How the hell is that possible when you're a power 5 school based in ATL?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:52 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Which is dumb because you can be good at both, and the success of one can do nothing but help the success of the other.
Agreed. With the wealth of talent in this state, there's no reason Tech can't be another Stanford in football.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:54 pm to BranchDawg
quote:I wonder if the Bach of Science vs. Bach of Arts issue that was mentioned above has something to do with that? Guys have to work harder to keep their grades up in a degree program for a BS vs. a BA, and so the top level talent are more attracted to programs with BA tracks so they can focus less on the classwork.
why can't tech get some elite defensive talent? They've sent some defensive players to the NFL under Johnson, but they aren't getting, or even attempting to get elite talent in on the front end.
I also wonder, does the GT alumni base hurt in recruiting? How many Tech alums stay in the area vs. going off to California or outside of the US after getting their degree? As a school with a smaller general population and turning out fewer graduates a year than a lot of the other schools within a few hours of them, does this graduate "flight" hurt in the long run?
Tech doesn't have the Bobby Lowder/Jimmy Rane/Bear Bryant Jr/drawing a blank for UGA type guy who can pump money into the program and fund the facilities that a lot of other schools are putting up. Add in that with the smaller alumni base in Atlanta, you have to appeal to the general public to be fans and put butts in the seats, but because the team has struggles, the sidewalk fans turn more to the bigger programs, so you have fewer butts in the seats and aren't as impressive to a recruit on a visit.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:10 pm to PJinAtl
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PJinAtl
Spot on assessment.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:19 pm to VinegarStrokes
quote:I still don't understand why Tech hired a coach that runs the triple option, for a multitude of reasons. GT is the 2nd best CFB program in one of the top 3 high school football states in the nation (And within a 45 minute drive of basically every "football factory" HS in the state) and they relegated themselves to running an offense normally saved for programs who have no shot at acquiring great talent, like the military academies and a few select FCS schools in the south. I get that the academics at Tech can be restrictive on the recruiting trail, but an ACC school located in the middle of ATL, surrounded by dozens upon dozens of high schools regularly turning out D1 talent shouldn't be outside the top 50 in class rank.
is that the younger generation of fans just don't really like the offense we run all that much.
There's enough talent in Ga that even if all you can get are the leftovers after UGA, Clemson, and Auburn are done, you can still field a team that is competitive without having to run an archaic offense that is getting easier to stop as the talent gap grows. All that being said pls keep PJ forever.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:02 pm to PJinAtl
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Tech doesn't have the Bobby Lowder/Jimmy Rane/Bear Bryant Jr/drawing a blank for UGA type guy who can pump money into the program and fund the facilities that a lot of other schools
Not so sure about that. John Dewberry is worth at least $500 million and is a big time athletic supporter along with Joe Rodgers ( Waffle House) and some others.Attendence revenue along with non SEC/Big 10 TV revenue does hurt in regards to facility updrades.I also heard CPJ openly complain about his recruiting budget on his radio show.
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but because the team has struggles, the sidewalk fans turn more to the bigger programs, so you have fewer butts in the seats
With the explosion in population growth GT should be scooping up some non grad families that have moved to metro Atl.Sorry,many of my fellow Dawg fans may disagree but I also think Bobby Dodd is a pretty good place to watch a game especially @ night and the area around GT has improved as well in the last 15 years.
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:31 pm to VinegarStrokes
Georgia Tech leaving the SEC was one of the worst mistakes in college athletics history. They'd have an 80k+ stadium and be top 25 in revenue now if they were in the SEC.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 12:44 pm to BranchDawg
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but why can't tech get some elite defensive talent?
PJ's system not only severely hamstrings who they can get on offense, but IMO it extends to elite defensive talent as well. Why would a defense want to go to a school that A) the offense is super quick so you're on the field most of the game B) you go against a gimmick offense in practice every day C) you likely won't compete for much nationally? It's a perfect storm.
Tech is in the unenviable position of being in a very tough spot regarding PJ because there will undoubtedly be at least 2 years of massive rebuilding when he his gone based on his system. The next coach is going to have to essentially start from scratch, so I'm guessing the PTB at tech are just delyaing the inevitable bandaid pull-off and accepting 7-9 wins now rather than making a move and winning 3-5 games for a few years in exchange for a higher ceiling.
I (and I imagine most opponents) would be MUCH more worried about tech if they didn't have PJ. Granted his system is archaic and something you simply must devote a lot of prep for, otherwise it'll kill you, but again it's so specific that it's rarely going to draw much high level talent. When they go back to a pro-style system (or any other system) with a different coach, they will absolutely begin to see better recruiting and attract more talented guys and will eventually be a lot tougher of an out.
Those late 90s tech teams weren't title caliber by any means but they were darn good.
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