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re: Julio will skip mandatory mini camp
Posted on 6/13/18 at 2:22 pm to VADawg
Posted on 6/13/18 at 2:22 pm to VADawg
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Some very tough decisions will need to be made over the nezt few years. I actually think Beasley is a candidate to not get an extension
Yea, if he has an average or below average year this year, I'm good letting him walk. We need Debo and Jarrett's deals as the primary ones on D, in my opinion.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:42 pm to DoubleDown
Jones, Jarrett, Takk, and Neal need to be extended as the cornerstones. I really like Campbell but I'm not sure that there will be cap space for him.
I know Takk isn't coming up for a few years but man he looked good as a rookie.
I know Takk isn't coming up for a few years but man he looked good as a rookie.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:18 am to DawgCountry
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depending on how much he wants, it might. We gotta pay Grady, Neal, and Debo next year
no doubt. I was just responding to the guy talking about what the fan reaction will be to him. My personal reaction is that I won't care until it is shown that this clown shite actually hurt our chances to win games.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:35 am to RD Dawg
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Doesn't deserve it...had a grand toral of 3 TD's amd led the league and dropped passes.
The TDs don't really bother me but the dropped passes and taking off of plays is a much bigger issue for someone that wants to be the highest paid WR in the league. Julio is obviously an incredible WR just not sure how much it makes sense to pay him as the highest paid wr in the league if that is what he is looking for.
Antonio Brown is probably the only WR that could justify that amount at this point.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:08 pm to hiltacular
I dunno. When Julio goes off, he friggin dominates. Biggest problem is that’s only 1-2 games a season.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 8:18 am to DoubleDown
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I dunno. When Julio goes off, he friggin dominates. Biggest problem is that’s only 1-2 games a season.
I'm not really sure what you would consider going off, but here's how I break down his production last year:
10+ catches: 1 game (253 yards and 2 of his 3 TDs for the season...this game was against Tampa)
6-9 catches: 6 games (2 of which went for over 100 yds)
3-5 catches: 8 games (1 game of 100 yds)
2 catches: 1 game (Minnesota game, 24 yds)
That all amounted to a lot of catches and a lot of yards, but you are right, he never really "went off" except for 3 games.
I don't have the time to look in depth at each game to understand the context, but in the games we won in the regular season, he was targeted 5, 9, 12, 6, 8, 10, 15, 11, 8, 11 times.
When we lost he was targeted 4, 7, 13, 12, 6, 11.
All that to say, there doesn't seem to be any real correlation between us "not using Julio enough" and winning games. We threw to him 16 times for 9 catches and 101 yards and still lost at Philadelphia. We threw to him 10 times for 9 catches and 94 yds against LAR.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:53 am to VinegarStrokes
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Is Atlanta willing to extend a 29-year-old receiver with three more seasons left on his deal for another five years? That’s highly unlikely. Instead, the team might look to give Jones a couple more years on his current deal while adding to the average annual salary he’s currently earning. In reality, a reworked deal could add nearly $40 million in total value to Jones’ deal with a multitude of guarantees north of what he’s currently receiving. That’s the most-likely scenario should the two sides come to terms on an extension.
From Forbes
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:42 am to DawgCountry
The more I look at this, I could see julio sitting out a few games to get this done on his side.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:41 am to DoubleDown
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The more I look at this, I could see julio sitting out a few games to get this done on his side.
So if he sits out, and the Falcons call his bluff, he could theoretically sit out for 3 years and not get paid, right? I'd be inclined to wait it out if I were the Falcons.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 12:17 pm to VinegarStrokes
In theory, yes, I believe that's correct. That'd never happen though. As soon as ATL lost 1 game, they'd freak out and pay Julio damn near whatever he wanted. Kinda feel like Julio has all the cards here.
If it were just 1 year left on his contract - BYE FELICIA. But since it's 3. We're kinda fricked.
If it were just 1 year left on his contract - BYE FELICIA. But since it's 3. We're kinda fricked.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:25 pm to DoubleDown
Freeman gets the big contract because of his TD production.
I wouldn't cave to Julio. The game is about points. He doesn't produce.
Poor timing for this demand on julio's part.
I wouldn't cave to Julio. The game is about points. He doesn't produce.
Poor timing for this demand on julio's part.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:21 pm to meansonny
I agree. Yards between the 20's is meaningless if you can get it in the endzone
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:43 pm to meansonny
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Freeman gets the big contract because of his TD production.
I wouldn't cave to Julio. The game is about points. He doesn't produce.
Poor timing for this demand on julio's part.
This is kinda where I'm at. I'd just assume draft a good WR every 3 years than be forced to pay $17 mil or whatever for an aging one.
People talk about how we "don't get the ball to Julio in redzone." Who is to say that we try but that he's just not getting open? He's a great receiver and physical specimen, which makes it even more frustrating that he can't get open in the endzone. It's laughable that people actually think that Sark and company actively try to ignore Julio inside the 20.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:02 pm to VinegarStrokes
I don't like that he's been hanging out with Owens. Owens was a cancerous tumor in every locker room he ever stepped foot in and I have little doubt that he's been in Julio's ear this whole time.
I think Julio has maybe 1-2 good years left before he falls off a cliff. So you either sign him and go for it this year or let him walk and free up some money for the defensive contracts that are going to be handed out over the next few years
I think Julio has maybe 1-2 good years left before he falls off a cliff. So you either sign him and go for it this year or let him walk and free up some money for the defensive contracts that are going to be handed out over the next few years
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:55 am to VADawg
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I don't like that he's been hanging out with Owens. Owens was a cancerous tumor in every locker room he ever stepped foot in and I have little doubt that he's been in Julio's ear this whole time.
My exact sentiments as well. Probably the worst person he could be around. He's destroyed locker rooms his entire career. Not to mention he blew through $80 million dollars and pays $45k per month in child support to 4 different women. One of the baby's momma's offered to discount his child support payment if he would actually come visit his kid. I doubt he has more than a few pennies now, and he's likely telling Julio to make them pay. Guy is complete trash.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:39 am to VADawg
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So you either sign him and go for it this year or let him walk and free up some money for the defensive contracts that are going to be handed out over the next few years
But here's where I see the big rub. Julio currently still has 3 years remaining on his current contract, right? We'd either have to trade him or pay him his currently salary to sit a whole season (or 3 - which won't happen).
I'm to the point where I want to trade him, but that isn't going to happen in June/July. That should've happened months ago prior to the draft.
Expect ATL to cave here, we're kinda fricked.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:43 pm to DoubleDown
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But here's where I see the big rub. Julio currently still has 3 years remaining on his current contract, right? We'd either have to trade him or pay him his currently salary to sit a whole season (or 3 - which won't happen).
I'm to the point where I want to trade him, but that isn't going to happen in June/July. That should've happened months ago prior to the draft.
Expect ATL to cave here, we're kinda fricked.
The counterpoint is if you cave to one, you're setting a precedent that you'll cave to all of them if they holdout.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:49 pm to VADawg
Ok sure, but what’s the alternative? We can’t let him sit for 3 years. He still gets paid and we get nadda. So the only options are:
(1) pay him whatever he wants
(2) pay him and hope he does something cap friendly - the same guy that’s friends with the migos and TO. Yea, option 2 is not happening.
(3) trade him. I still say we should’ve done it then at this point of 2018.
(1) pay him whatever he wants
(2) pay him and hope he does something cap friendly - the same guy that’s friends with the migos and TO. Yea, option 2 is not happening.
(3) trade him. I still say we should’ve done it then at this point of 2018.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:29 am to DoubleDown
If fandom was a traded stock, Julio's is cratering.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:15 pm to flyAU
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If fandom was a traded stock, Julio's is cratering.
fricker sure isn't on my Christmas card list at the moment.
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