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VinegarStrokes
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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I think you really nailed the only 2 pain points I have with the project.

Is SunTrust park and the Battery better than what we had? Oh my lord, yes. The stadium sightlines are great, it's smaller, and I do like having a nice entertainment ecosystem there.

The issues are really two-fold:
(1) lack of MARTA (or any other direct Public transport)

and (2),

If they would have gone the extra half-mile, they could have put more "Atlanta-esque" venues in the battery. For example, instead of a "Wahlburgers," how about a Vortex? I think there are enough Atlanta staples where you could have incorporated that into it, versus go completely commercial.

The dislike of the move has nothing to do with moving it out of downtown, rather, there were just better options.

I think having the stadium on the MARTA Orange line would have absolutely been a home run. North Buckhead/Brookhaven/Chamblee is also a more affluent/nicer area of town. Plus, I wouldn't have hated the option of hitting up Buford Highway after the game for some Korean BBQ.

But, we're here for 27 more years, so, I'd like to think we'll continue to build up that area, and bring in another rail line. Imagine the easiest way would be to have a split at Arts Center, and have it track 75 with stops at (1) Atlantic Station, (2) West Paces Ferry/Vinings and (3) The battery


It's impossible to know what went on during the negotiations for the various restaurants that ended up there, but I agree that more local places would have been ideal. Look at Antico pizza. The line is out the door anytime I've been there.

The fried chicken place that was there is already closed, with their excuse being lack of offseason/non-gameday traffic. I think if they had a bunch of places like Antico, Vortex, hell even the Varsity, etc then offseason patronage would still be very good as they would attract the suburbanites who may not necessarily want to go into town for that stuff.

On another note, it looks like I'll finally be able to get myself an Atl United jersey without looking like the trailer trash from Athens (just kidding folks...kinda). Rumors are that next year their secondary kit will look like this:

Image: https://www.lovellsoccer.co.uk/products/64365.jpg


fibonaccisquared
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
Imagine a Taqueria del Sol there...

But yeah, they definitely could have stood to try and get more local entities there. I live super close and other than Antico, nothing else there really gets me excited. I'll go to the sports bar spot for a few things, but it's not quite as much of a draw by itself as it could have been.

It's great for gamedays, but that's a very fair criticism regarding the vendors they elected to bring in. And yeah... I've been screaming that Cumberland area needs Marta for a while but Cobb ain't having it.


ATLabama
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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On another note, it looks like I'll finally be able to get myself an Atl United jersey without looking like the trailer trash from Athens (just kidding folks...kinda). Rumors are that next year their secondary kit will look like this:


Looks good. I imagine we'll keep the "King Peach" color scheme.

On another note - when does the AMFAM jersey sponsorship deal expire?


Wally Sparks
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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In hindsight, I can see why the Braves felt jilted. They asked first. But in terms of pecking order, they were silly to just assume they'd get first pick over Arthur Blank and the Falcons on the premise that they were first in line. Arthur Blank, his franchise, and his stadium are quite plainly 2-3X more valuable to the city than the Braves. That's not hyperbole, that's a fact based on team valuations, revenue, and the amount of "prime time" events the Benz brings in.



Blank was also funding a much higher percentage of the cost of MBS, with the GWCCA hotel tax kicking in the rest. The Braves had neither.

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I do wish McGuirk would have considered the Chamblee or Doraville site along the MARTA line, as it provides the same 285 and major interstate exchange (85) with the added component of having MARTA.


Doraville wanted no part of any stadium and DeKalb County wasn't giving away the store like Cobb did.

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My hope is, ST Park is the "Trojan Horse" that finally gets a rail line out to Cobb County. If they do that, all is well that ends well.


As someone who works closely with regional/state transportation agencies in Georgia, it's still a hurdle and the Cumberland area (along with the I-75/US 41 corridor needed a MARTA line long before STP was conceived.


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VinegarStrokes
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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Looks good. I imagine we'll keep the "King Peach" color scheme.



no, what I read was that they were using gold instead of peach, which is why I used that particular image.


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Pettifogger
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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If they would have gone the extra half-mile, they could have put more "Atlanta-esque" venues in the battery. For example, instead of a "Wahlburgers," how about a Vortex? I think there are enough Atlanta staples where you could have incorporated that into it, versus go completely commercial.



IMO you can't please people when they want to find an issue

Before the Battery is fully announced: "Enjoy your applebees, suburbanites!"

Reality: Antico, Terrapin, Fox Bros, Ford Fry, Hugh Acheson, Linton Hopkins, etc.



ATLabama
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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As someone who works closely with regional/state transportation agencies in Georgia, it's still a hurdle and the Cumberland area (along with the I-75/US 41 corridor needed a MARTA line long before STP was conceived.


What’s the hold up at this point besides the fact minorities use MARTA?


pvilleguru
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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I imagine we'll keep the "King Peach" color scheme.
No


ATLabama
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No


Dang kinda liked those.


VinegarStrokes
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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What’s the hold up at this point besides the fact minorities use MARTA?


even if they approved a resolution today to get working on new MARTA lines, it would be incredibly difficult, costly, and time-consuming to implement a legit rail line through developed areas. probably wouldn't see a finished product for at least 10 years.


PJinAtl
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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even if they approved a resolution today to get working on new MARTA lines, it would be incredibly difficult, costly, and time-consuming to implement a legit rail line through developed areas. probably wouldn't see a finished product for at least 10 years.
Exactly. When they were trying to get Gwinnett to approve MARTA this time around, they were saying the rail extension would reach as far as Jimmy Carter Blvd (all of what, a mile across the Dekalb/Gwinnett line) and it would be 15-20 years to build the 4.5 miles of line from the Doraville station. They then said it could be another 10 to 15 years after that to extend the line to Gwinnett Place Mall (another 5 miles).


ATLabama
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
There's an old Chinese proverb that needs to be relayed to the good people who are letting this go by due to the fact it's "going to take a long time."

"The best time to plant a tree was 50 years ago. The next best time is now."


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elposter
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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What’s the hold up at this point besides the fact minorities use MARTA?


$$$

And a hell of a lot of property right, easement and other legal issues which is also basically $$$ at the end of the day.


I think the "minorities use MARTA" thing is way overblown now. That's not the reason it isn't being expanded.


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Vicks Kennel Club
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
The adidas deal with mls has teams change each jersey every two years on alternating years.

For Atlanta United, the change is:

Primary change on odd years
Secondary change on even years


Wally Sparks
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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Exactly. When they were trying to get Gwinnett to approve MARTA this time around, they were saying the rail extension would reach as far as Jimmy Carter Blvd (all of what, a mile across the Dekalb/Gwinnett line) and it would be 15-20 years to build the 4.5 miles of line from the Doraville station. They then said it could be another 10 to 15 years after that to extend the line to Gwinnett Place Mall (another 5 miles).


The best part is that Gwinnett County created that transit plan and turned it over to MARTA for the referendum. What a joke.


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beaver
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
I would not hate a 5 stripe with gold and white stripes next year

side note: I'm getting this Guzan jersey specially made (my favorite jersey, and they didn't sell them) and I am so pumped

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NYCAuburn
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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who got pissed at the Braves for moving to SunTrust and "abandoning" the city.


Blame Kasim Reed. The Braves tried to stay at Turner and the Mayor told them the renovation was too expensive. I think it was like 100 million. Braves see the city balls deep in the 1+ billion new football stadium, but couldnt care less about the real heart and soul of the city.

as to the OP, Thrashers left a big void in the city as well, people were looking for another sport.
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NYCAuburn
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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What’s the hold up at this point besides the fact minorities use MARTA?
Cobb...


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ATLabama
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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Blame Kasim Reed. The Braves tried to stay at Turner and the Mayor told them the renovation was too expensive. I think it was like 100 million. Braves see the city balls deep in the 1+ billion new football stadium, but couldnt care less about the real heart and soul of the city.


The Ted was definitely iconic to the city - especially with it's '96 magic. The Olympics and the history behind it make that building almost landmark worthy. If it was over $100M in renovations, than that's pretty silly.

However, I think it's pretty obvious that the Falcons are the city's most popular team. The NLDS ratings for the Braves-Dodgers series was 4.5 locally and 2.1 nationally. Meanwhile the average ratings for a regular season Falcons games during their 7-9 campaign last season was 17.2. Playoff ratings for the divisional round against Philly in Jan 2018 were at 29.3, and obviously for Super Bowl LI at 52.1.

I don't fault the city for serving its biggest and most important tenant first, especially considering the fact MBS brought in a secondary tenant and other A1 events. However, if it was really over such a small margin, it wasn't worth telling the Braves to basically eat the scraps of what was left over from Arthur's deal.


NYCAuburn
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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
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. If it was over $100M in renovations, than that's pretty silly
Just went back and looked. 150 million for a 20 years lease renewal. Reed said it was way too much

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I don't fault the city for serving its biggest and most important tenant first,


are they? The falcons play how many home games vs the Braves? Although individual game attendance isnt the same, I'd say the braves bring in far more total attendance and out of towners than the Falcons. The main benefit for MBS is mixed use for sure. But a damn 20 year lease for a minor renovation is a great investment for the city. The city got push back because of all the issues with building MBS that they were scared to do anything more
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