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re: It's amazing to me how much the city has embraced United
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:20 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:20 am to NYCAuburn
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are they? The falcons play how many home games vs the Braves?
Yes. It's not close. What's worth more - 8 quarters or 81 pennies? The Falcons (and the NFL) are literal giants over everything else.
Moreover, the MBS has already hosted a Super Bowl, CFP Championship, SEC title game, Final Four this year... etc... that money fee-fi-fo fums over the "out of towners" from neighboring Alabama, and Mississippi that go to a weekend home stand.
I take it you're primarily a Braves fan over the Falcons (or NFL). But under no uncertain terms are the Birds not the most popular, or most valuable franchise to this city. I think outside of the Knicks and Lakers, the same holds true for every other city in the US.
On your final point though - I completely agree. The city was penny-wise, pound-foolish to not give up the ~150M for the Ted at the time.
One the bright side, they did pony-up partially for the State Farm Arena renovations. Hopefully the gulch mixed-use development (being completed by Tony Ressler's brother) gets the OK sooner rather than later.
As Atlantans, we are fortunate to have 3 A+ venues to go to. You don't realize how good we have it until you go to places like DC, Tampa, Charlotte, etc...
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 11:23 am
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Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:13 pm to ATLabama
I have no doubt the Falcons are more valuable, but I think that's more due to the NFL's overall importance/value than any direct comparisons among franchises.
I think you could make a pretty good argument that the Braves are the city's most well-regarded and beloved franchise.
From a cultural/historical standpoint, the Braves are more important. Obviously the Falcons (including MBS) are the most economically important.
I think you could make a pretty good argument that the Braves are the city's most well-regarded and beloved franchise.
From a cultural/historical standpoint, the Braves are more important. Obviously the Falcons (including MBS) are the most economically important.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:14 pm to NYCAuburn
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Blame Kasim Reed. The Braves tried to stay at Turner and the Mayor told them the renovation was too expensive. I think it was like 100 million. Braves see the city balls deep in the 1+ billion new football stadium, but couldnt care less about the real heart and soul of the city.
As I mentioned earlier:
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Blank was also funding a much higher percentage of the cost of MBS, with the GWCCA hotel tax kicking in the rest. The Braves had neither.
Where does the public money come from to renovate the Ted?
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:31 pm to ATLabama
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Yes. It's not close. What's worth more - 8 quarters or 81 pennies?
What are you basing this on? What monetary value do teams bring to cities? Jobs and tourism, thats about it. So are you saying the falcons bring in far more of this?
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I take it you're primarily a Braves fan over the Falcons (or NFL).
Neither, FWIW
quote:Some of these would have been here either way.
the MBS has already hosted a Super Bowl, CFP Championship, SEC title game, Final Four this year.
quote:I dont agree with this. The scope of the braves extends well beyond ATL, can't say the same for the falcons
But under no uncertain terms are the Birds not the most popular,
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:34 pm to Wally Sparks
quote:Same sources. The cost vs return for Ted renovations far exceeds MBS. The city could have chosen both paths, but decided to just empty the pocketbook for one. And back to my premise, no one should be pissed at the braves for the move as it was the city's fault, the braves tried to stay at Turner
Where does the public money come from to renovate the Ted?
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:38 pm to NYCAuburn
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I dont agree with this. The scope of the braves extends well beyond ATL, can't say the same for the falcons
The Braves do have a larger reach in the South, thanks in large part to the Superstation (Kudos, Mr. Turner).
But I don't care about Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, or Tennessee. In the actual city of Atlanta, the Falcons have a multiple in viewership, and revenue. It's not even close.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:43 pm to ATLabama
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From a cultural/historical standpoint, the Braves are more important. Obviously the Falcons (including MBS) are the most economically important.
I think this would be incorrect had the Falcons held their lead in Super Bowl 51.
But if the Falcons draw 10x the viewers for their games, have higher merchandise sales, how are they not the most important?
More people watch them (and I mean WAYYYYY), and they bring in more money. There is no other metric.
When we were kids in the 90s, the Braves were "it." The generation below us grew up on Michael Vick, Matt Ryan, and Julio.
A lot of it has to do with the fact baseball is far less popular with the youngest generation of kids. Hell, the NFL and MLB are losing market share to the NBA and video games now. Just because it was the big-time when we were growing up, doesn't mean it's the same now.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:59 pm to ATLabama
quote:These people travel to watch their team and spend money in the city
But I don't care about Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, or Tennessee. In the actual city of Atlanta,
quote:Viewership does nothing for the city
, the Falcons have a multiple in viewership,
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:01 pm to ATLabama
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s, have higher merchandise sales,
They are closer than you think
2018 442m vs 451m in revenue
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:05 pm to ATLabama
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But if the Falcons draw 10x the viewers for their games
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More people watch them (and I mean WAYYYYY)
16 games vs 162 will do that.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:06 pm to NYCAuburn
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Viewership does nothing for the city
Correct - but it's a great metric to understand what people in the city care about.
From a revenue generation standpoint (as a whole), the Falcons and MBS make a much bigger impact. Interesting to see merch revenue was somewhat close, though.
I don't fault the Braves for leaving when not getting the crumbs that they asked for. I do wonder if they were told to "hold on" until the MBS negotiations were done. Clearly they became impatient. The city chipped in a large chunk for the half a billion dollar State Farm renovation, so clearly there was cash to share.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:08 pm to RedPants
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16 games vs 162 will do that.
But what about the playoffs, then?
Falcons-Eagles was around 32, and Braves-Dodgers was at 4. Hell, the Hawks drew an 8 in 2015 during the Eastern Conference Semis.
Again, I'm just speaking for the Atlanta DMA. I'm sure the Braves do well in the surrounding states as well, moreso than the Hawks.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:13 pm to ATLabama
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Correct - but it's a great metric to understand what people in the city care about.
Not really as NFL is more of a natiowide viewership as opposed to baseball(sans Turner/Braves days)
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:19 pm to ATLabama
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But what about the playoffs, then?
Falcons-Eagles was around 32, and Braves-Dodgers was at 4.
The average fan is much more likely to watch a football game that doesn't include their favorite team than they are a baseball game. Football is king, nobody is arguing that.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:30 pm to NYCAuburn
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Not really as NFL is more of a natiowide viewership as opposed to baseball(sans Turner/Braves days)
Those aforementioned were local ratings, amigo. Meaning, the ATL DMA only.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:45 pm to ATLabama
question to those of you participating in this discussion...why do you care so much about ratings for various teams?
there must be a reason, so please continue and don't let me interrupt, but I've never understood why this is every a topic of conversation.
there must be a reason, so please continue and don't let me interrupt, but I've never understood why this is every a topic of conversation.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:21 pm to VinegarStrokes
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question to those of you participating in this discussion...why do you care so much about ratings for various teams? there must be a reason, so please continue and don't let me interrupt, but I've never understood why this is every a topic of conversation.
I don't care per say, but when you are in a friendly discussion about "who is more popular/valuable" from a franchise perspective, it's a really, really reliable source to draw on.
If Atlanta is roughly 6.5 million people as a DMA, and MBS holds 72K for the Falcons and Suntrust holds 42K for the Braves, it's a fair assumption most fans aren't going to the games at one time.
So, you'd point to the next widely accepted metric (used by corporations and owners alike to negotiate multi-billion dollar sponsorship deals) to see "how many people watch this product."
Using this data, the Falcons regularly outdraw all of their local competitors on ratings by a significant multiple in the Atlanta market. Even if you were to move to postseason ratings to compare apples to apples, the Falcons still more than quadruple the viewership of the Braves.
This ties back to the original discussion about "why did the city work with Arthur Blank and the Falcons to get the MBS deal done instead of working with the Braves to revamp the Ted?"
Because, using revenue targets, and tv ratings as benchmarks, the city seemingly has a far greater interest in serving the Falcons as it stands to be currently (not 1995, now) the most important sports tenant in the city.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:44 pm to ATLabama
The Falcons are the most popular team in the Atlanta DMA according to Nielsen-Scarborough WAL metrics.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 9:22 am to The Winner
TBH I see more support for UGA than the falcons, braves, or Hawks as well. Uga and united have taken over
Posted on 7/25/19 at 9:36 am to Bossbailey34
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TBH I see more support for UGA than the falcons, braves, or Hawks as well. Uga and united have taken over
that's always been the case with UGA.
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