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re: Why does it feel like it's a race between Kiffin or Leach
Posted on 11/15/19 at 8:05 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 11/15/19 at 8:05 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Leach has allegedly been campaigning for the job for 20 years now. He may be someone who wouldn't leave for a blueblood and they might never want him, anyway.
Leach makes somewhere around 3.5M now at Wazzu, so he's probably not coming for money. He has to know our situation and understand that he'll be fired if he's unsuccessful, but that obviously doesn't scare him. Either he thinks he can be successful here or there's something we don't know.
Leach makes somewhere around 3.5M now at Wazzu, so he's probably not coming for money. He has to know our situation and understand that he'll be fired if he's unsuccessful, but that obviously doesn't scare him. Either he thinks he can be successful here or there's something we don't know.
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 8:18 pm to redeye
Is there anything beyond message board chatter indicating that ANY of these guys are interested? I just keep reading that Kiffen and Leach want the job. Was wondering if there was anything to back that up.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:58 pm to redeye
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Leach has allegedly been campaigning for the job for 20 years now.
Irwin goes way overboard with this. He has a clear bias in favor of Leach. Not that Leach would be a bad hire at all but he clearly has a little more invested into Leach than the other candidates.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:00 pm to ThundrHawg
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Is there anything beyond message board chatter indicating that ANY of these guys are interested? I just keep reading that Kiffen and Leach want the job. Was wondering if there was anything to back that up.
You have reporters claiming sources on both these guys wanting the job. Seems even more the case for Leach. They could be off base obviously but I would put it above message board chatter.
This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:06 pm to rockiee
Within an hour of the announcement, Kiff had his agent (sexton) contact a BOT member at the UofA….
And then spoke to HY....
That is what I was told by someone who should definitely know. Beebe can back me up from the last search as to who I know.
But when we hear things like this so early, it rarely turns out in the end. Usually something comes along in the weeks to follow to mess it up. We were screwed last time by Gus. The reason we were left with our tail between our legs and hired Chard.
We had Tubs in the bag until a bot member demanded a interview and tubs refused to do so considering he was a sitting HC in the SEC at the time.
I could go on ad nauseam ..
And then spoke to HY....
That is what I was told by someone who should definitely know. Beebe can back me up from the last search as to who I know.
But when we hear things like this so early, it rarely turns out in the end. Usually something comes along in the weeks to follow to mess it up. We were screwed last time by Gus. The reason we were left with our tail between our legs and hired Chard.
We had Tubs in the bag until a bot member demanded a interview and tubs refused to do so considering he was a sitting HC in the SEC at the time.
I could go on ad nauseam ..
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:13 pm to rockiee
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Irwin goes way overboard with this. He has a clear bias in favor of Leach. Not that Leach would be a bad hire at all but he clearly has a little more invested into Leach than the other candidates.
That's probably true, but what does he have invested? Because he's from Lubbock?
I'm not even really a fan of Leach, but just like the idea of hiring someone who really wants to be here. If it's true that this is high on Yurachek's list, then that's great.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:19 pm to ThundrHawg
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Is there anything beyond message board chatter indicating that ANY of these guys are interested? I just keep reading that Kiffen and Leach want the job. Was wondering if there was anything to back that up.
I'm mostly going off what Irwin has said, but Leach's name has come up in past searches and he did say on video that WMS was the loudest he's experienced. He probably won't get the job, but I wouldn't mind if he did. Tbh, I don't have any big favorites and mainly just don't want Gus, Nutt or Freeze.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:24 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Usually something comes along in the weeks to follow to mess it up.
This is so true and why I don’t believe anything at this point. 4 weeks to run a search means we are guaranteed to frick up a relationship or two with top candidates because we can’t get out of our own way.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:35 pm to redeye
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what does he have invested? Because he's from Lubbock?
Mainly that and its just clear that its his favorite for this job. He gets a little defensive when fans criticize Leach. He might be 100% right about all of it but just makes me leery when a reporter goes that hard for a guy at times.
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just like the idea of hiring someone who really wants to be here. If it's true that this is high on Yurachek's list, then that's great.
Well after just taking a little bit of a shot at Irwin. I'll give him credit for the fact he was right about this. Hunter made it clear a big reason he wanted Musselman was because Musselman made it obvious he was all in on Arkansas and was not playing any games about it. I'd assume the next coach is going to be the same way.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:42 pm to rockiee
The football version of Musselman excites me, whether that's Leach, Kiffin, Norvell or someone else. Just as long as it ain't Nutt.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 8:52 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Negative leach has been more successful as a head coach and that is an undeniable fact
The question should be who would be more successful at Arkansas.
I think Kiffin is the answer to that.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 9:08 am to redeye
quote:Good coaches are generally confident to a fault. Leach probably isn’t worried about going 0-16 in SEC play. People get too caught up in the bs about “no coach will want to come here if we fire our current loser coach after two years.” Despite what Dabo says, good coaches can identify a crappy coach in less than two years. No coach worth his salt is holding it against us for firing Chad. If a potential coaching candidate won’t bet on themselves to be competitive against mediocre Conference USA teams in year two then I don’t want them anyways.
Leach makes somewhere around 3.5M now at Wazzu, so he's probably not coming for money. He has to know our situation and understand that he'll be fired if he's unsuccessful, but that obviously doesn't scare him. Either he thinks he can be successful here or there's something we don't know.
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/16/19 at 9:44 am to Jack Ruby
I don’t see the hype with Kiffin. He is the ultimate opportunist. He would come to Arkansas until something bigger came up and then bolt once he gets a chance.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 10:02 am to Buck Magnum
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I don’t see the hype with Kiffin. He is the ultimate opportunist. He would come to Arkansas until something bigger came up and then bolt once he gets a chance.
Indeed. Let us assume that Kiffin actually thrives here. The first year he sniffs decent success he will have his resume at any P5 school with an opening. The guy is about as loyal as a rattlesnake.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 10:26 am to Arksulli
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Indeed. Let us assume that Kiffin actually thrives here. The first year he sniffs decent success he will have his resume at any P5 school with an opening. The guy is about as loyal as a rattlesnake.
That leaves us in a good spot then.
At your place of employment do you hire the best person for the job or a person you think will stay long term.
I work with some people who like to hire the people that "will stay". They are pretty much worthless employees. That's a losers mentality.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 10:30 am to boogiewoogie1978
It is simple...
He wants another power job and there hasn't been any suitors yet.
He will not get USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etal….
and you have a non compete within the conference, plus a few more to hire him.
His salary isn't great at this time. I think like 1.5 or something.
He would have to absolutely prove himself here to better himself elsewhere FWIW!
He wants another power job and there hasn't been any suitors yet.
He will not get USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etal….
and you have a non compete within the conference, plus a few more to hire him.
His salary isn't great at this time. I think like 1.5 or something.
He would have to absolutely prove himself here to better himself elsewhere FWIW!
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:22 am to Razorback Reverend
Leach and Kiffin “want” the job and both have for a long time as opposed to Chode who once said “Why would anybody want to coach at Arkansas?”. A guy who wants to be somewhere will outwork the one who doesn’t 9 times out of 10.
That’s why I’m fine with either is them. They will succeed here and understand Arkansas. I think Kiffin has the higher ceiling and would stick around. But either would win.
That’s why I’m fine with either is them. They will succeed here and understand Arkansas. I think Kiffin has the higher ceiling and would stick around. But either would win.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:25 am to beebefootballfan
anyone else hearing that Norvell just flat out has let it be known that he isn't interested any longer in the Arkansas job?
Spoke to a Memphis booster yesterday, and he believes Norvell is waiting for another position. He is holding a grudge against Ar for last time...
Spoke to a Memphis booster yesterday, and he believes Norvell is waiting for another position. He is holding a grudge against Ar for last time...
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:41 am to Razorback Reverend
That falls in line with what some of the media have been saying.
Basically, he's like "you fricked me over last time when I really wanted this job, now, screw off, I've got bigger fish to catch."
I don't blame him. I'd be pissed, too. You had a chick interim AD try over the hirkng process and your BoT may or may not have helped spread all of the" skeletons" stuff.
And to top it off, you hired made the worst hire in school and maybe modern SEC history.
Yet again, the incompetent admin doing what they do...
I really hope they just give HY autonomy on this one.
Oh and you gotta be shitting me right??
Basically, he's like "you fricked me over last time when I really wanted this job, now, screw off, I've got bigger fish to catch."
I don't blame him. I'd be pissed, too. You had a chick interim AD try over the hirkng process and your BoT may or may not have helped spread all of the" skeletons" stuff.
And to top it off, you hired made the worst hire in school and maybe modern SEC history.
Yet again, the incompetent admin doing what they do...
I really hope they just give HY autonomy on this one.
Oh and you gotta be shitting me right??
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opposed to Chode who once said “Why would anybody want to coach at Arkansas?”.
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:44 am to boogiewoogie1978
Working an average company and being a power five football head coach is a totally different animal. Because if you’re going to be a worthless employee you will get fired as a head coach.
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