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Posted on 12/19/20 at 12:35 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 12/19/20 at 12:35 pm to Drewbie
I expected 1-3 SEC wins this year. We were not going winless again in the SEC for three years in a row. Sam isn't doing anything that any good coach couldn't do these last two years. We underachieved in the Chad years and Sam was just good enough to get us some wins this year. Sam has corrected the team dysfunction that Bert and Chad created.
I don't expect a quick turnaround like we did with Bobby. This is going to be a long rebuild but we will have better years.
I don't expect a quick turnaround like we did with Bobby. This is going to be a long rebuild but we will have better years.
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 12:45 pm to Beached Tusky
Bobby's first year wasn't good but it ended in a bang with a win against LSU in the final seconds.
Bobby was the best playcaller, planner and game manager we ever had.
Stop hiring terrible coaches and put more effort in winning and you won't see these comparisons. But until then that is just the way it is.
Bobby was the best playcaller, planner and game manager we ever had.
Stop hiring terrible coaches and put more effort in winning and you won't see these comparisons. But until then that is just the way it is.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:21 pm to dchog
Go take your prozac dc you are bumming everyone out 
We are gonna have better years than 6-6 and 7-5. We would have done that this year if we had our non con schedule. We will never be as thin on the lines as we were this year under Pittman again. Losing Franks might hurt but even if KJ underachieves we should be able to make and win a bowl game next year.
Next years class is the real test in his recruiting. We have enough in state players to crack the top 15 and that's what he will need to do to maintain an upward momentum.
We are gonna have better years than 6-6 and 7-5. We would have done that this year if we had our non con schedule. We will never be as thin on the lines as we were this year under Pittman again. Losing Franks might hurt but even if KJ underachieves we should be able to make and win a bowl game next year.
Next years class is the real test in his recruiting. We have enough in state players to crack the top 15 and that's what he will need to do to maintain an upward momentum.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:23 pm to V Bainbridge
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Next years class is the real test in his recruiting. We have enough in state players to crack the top 15 and that's what he will need to do to maintain an upward momentum.
Absolutely is.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:29 pm to Beached Tusky
quote:Just because every game he managed to win was close doesn't mean he was some master at not slowing down or becoming conservative. The fact of the matter is he was rarely ever protecting a lead and almost always having to lead some miracle last minute drive to squeak a win. He never even had the option to be conservative most of the time.
but CBP proved he would readily go for the kill rather than go conservative late in games given the opportunity.
This narrative has always been stupid to me. If Petrino's shot to the endzone on 4th and 1 hadn't worked, the same people singing his praises about how great a closer he is would be repeating the same shite that gets said about Briles whenever he makes a call that goes against the grain. He lost to Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State all by 3 points or less. The late game struggles were just as common.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:34 pm to Drewbie
Petrino had liabilities all over the defensive side of the ball, and had a new DC coming in before Harley/Long-gate.
The repeated attempts to belittle what Arkansas football was during his tenure is what’s stupid to me.
He’s absolutely damaged goods now and has been since the PR hatchet job, so I couldn’t care less about his post-Arkansas record.
The repeated attempts to belittle what Arkansas football was during his tenure is what’s stupid to me.
He’s absolutely damaged goods now and has been since the PR hatchet job, so I couldn’t care less about his post-Arkansas record.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:36 pm to Beached Tusky
quote:The repeated attempts to belittle what Pittman did with practically no camp and literally zero depth on the defensive side of the ball is what's stupid to me. I legitimately laughed when you tried to use defensive shortcomings as Petrino's excuse as if Pittman has it any better.
The repeated attempts to belittle what Arkansas football was during his tenure is what’s stupid to me.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:38 pm to Drewbie
Who belittled what Pittman did?
What do you think you’re trying to defend and from whom are you defending it?
What do you think you’re trying to defend and from whom are you defending it?
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:43 pm to Beached Tusky
quote:The people claiming that somehow what Petrino did indicated future success more than Pittman and calling him 6-6 max. That's absolutely belittling him and the coaching job he's done to create the turnaround he has. If Houston Nutt was winning 9 games here, I think it's unfathomably stupid to expect so little of a coach of Pittman's caliber and the level of assistants he obviously attracts, especially when the timeframe is 4 years.
Who belittled what Pittman did?
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:46 pm to Drewbie
Then don’t attribute that to me.
I didn’t say anything about a record other than needing to recruit a lot better to achieve this 10-win Hallmark story season being tossed around.
If Pittman makes that happen and I hope he does, it won’t be accomplished the same way Petrino did it.
I didn’t say anything about a record other than needing to recruit a lot better to achieve this 10-win Hallmark story season being tossed around.
If Pittman makes that happen and I hope he does, it won’t be accomplished the same way Petrino did it.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:50 pm to Beached Tusky
quote:I mean I was addressing your point. You're the one who brought up the point that "Bobby didn't go conservative".
Then don’t attribute that to me.
Of course he didn't. He was always having to come from behind.
At the end of the day, the point I'm arguing for is that considering all of the context surrounding this season and the obstacles that had to be overcome, I saw more to be optimistic about in Pittman's year 1 than Bobby's. Yet the prevailing sentiment seems to still be one of apprehension. I don't get it. Maybe I'm just higher on Pittman than most of the fanbase.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:05 pm to Drewbie
Then we can agree to disagree.
Fact is we did go conservative at times in close games that cost us this year.
Aside from Burks we don’t have the explosive playmakers on offense Petrino had. That’s not Pittman’s fault.
But will he recruit them is the question... this year’s class is ultimately great for digging out of a crater but not indicative of making waves in the SEC. 2022 will tell us if he’s able to do that with Arkansas booster support.
The in-State and surrounding area talent is there for a change. Let’s see him go get it.
Fact is we did go conservative at times in close games that cost us this year.
Aside from Burks we don’t have the explosive playmakers on offense Petrino had. That’s not Pittman’s fault.
But will he recruit them is the question... this year’s class is ultimately great for digging out of a crater but not indicative of making waves in the SEC. 2022 will tell us if he’s able to do that with Arkansas booster support.
The in-State and surrounding area talent is there for a change. Let’s see him go get it.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:11 pm to Beached Tusky
quote:Exactly what we needed, IMO. Secondary/DT/OL were by far my biggest wants for this class.
this year’s class is ultimately great for digging out of a crater
quote:100% agree. I would love to see him lock up the potential the state is actually producing now.
The in-State and surrounding area talent is there for a change. Let’s see him go get it.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 3:55 pm to Beached Tusky
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Petrino had liabilities all over the defensive side of the ball, and had a new DC coming in before Harley/Long-gate.
Petrino was never going to value defense more than offense or even them equally. His defense was always going to be a problem and I don't remember any really good d coordinators wanting anything to do with him. He could only hire out of thst carroll college circle for the most part.
He was so fricking good at play calling and getting the kids to execute It was unreal.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 4:21 pm to oklahogjr
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His defense was always going to be a problem
Petrino was going to build a Top-10 defense with players who wanted to play for a national powerhouse,
Both statements have equal value... none.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 5:50 pm to Beached Tusky
Dude, Really? At practice several times, Petrino chewed the arse of a d player who went all out, afraid he would injure his star offensive players.
He didn't give a crap about D period. Look at his D stats anywhere he has been,, they slide along with the D recruiting.
and yes, his defense WAS ALWAYS A PROBLEM!
Posted on 12/19/20 at 6:20 pm to Razorback Reverend
I would take a top 60 category Petrino defense than Bert and Chad defenses.
He didn't value defense as much as his offense but neither did Bert or Chad.
He didn't value defense as much as his offense but neither did Bert or Chad.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 6:41 pm to Beached Tusky
Remember the 2014 defense? Well that was still mostly Petrino's players and they were ranked in the top 10. Since then our defenses have gotten worse since then.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 7:02 pm to dchog
Don't bring facts into this... can't you see we're tearing down the CBP statue while we're building the CSP one.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 7:17 pm to Beached Tusky
Here are the defenses in the Petrino years PPG allowed.
2008 31.2
2009 25.1
2010 23.4
2011 22.2
Yep Petrino didn't care a bout defense, I mean how did those terrible defenses get us to back to back 10 win seasons since the 80s?
We were so spoiled back then but a double dose of Bert and Chad got us back to reality.
2012 30.4
2013 30.8
2014 19.2
2015 27.4
2016 31.1
2017 36.2
2018 34.8
2019 36.8
2020 34.9
I would take a Petrino defense right now.
2008 31.2
2009 25.1
2010 23.4
2011 22.2
Yep Petrino didn't care a bout defense, I mean how did those terrible defenses get us to back to back 10 win seasons since the 80s?
We were so spoiled back then but a double dose of Bert and Chad got us back to reality.
2012 30.4
2013 30.8
2014 19.2
2015 27.4
2016 31.1
2017 36.2
2018 34.8
2019 36.8
2020 34.9
I would take a Petrino defense right now.
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