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re: Sam Pittman expectations
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:24 am to dchog
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:24 am to dchog
this is the problem
Sam shouldn't be tied to those meltdowns at all. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. But we as fans have been through absolute Hell concerning being fans of this program. The PTSD is so real, lol..
Pittman isn't Chard, Bert, or even Nutt. He is more real and will get things corrected.
I will ask you the same question as above, Prior to the beginning of the season, if you knew the following.
1. His first year as a HC period.
2. Covid and No OOC Games..
3. All SEC schedule...
4. New Qback, having never played with this team...
5. With the players left by Chad/Lack of development...
6. No spring practice.
How may games would you have guessed we would win?
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The four game losing streak reeks of the Nutt and Bert years. The Missouri meltdown reminded me so much of the 2016 Missouri game. It just gives that terrible feeling that is all to familiar.
Sam shouldn't be tied to those meltdowns at all. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. But we as fans have been through absolute Hell concerning being fans of this program. The PTSD is so real, lol..
Pittman isn't Chard, Bert, or even Nutt. He is more real and will get things corrected.
I will ask you the same question as above, Prior to the beginning of the season, if you knew the following.
1. His first year as a HC period.
2. Covid and No OOC Games..
3. All SEC schedule...
4. New Qback, having never played with this team...
5. With the players left by Chad/Lack of development...
6. No spring practice.
How may games would you have guessed we would win?
2
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:48 am to Razorback Reverend
btw BP was 2/7 in his first 9 sec games....
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:56 am to Razorback Reverend
I predicted two wins. The Ole Miss and Missouri games. It is still disappointing that we will end the season with another losing streak.
It is not how you start but how you finish and that is where people will remember the season the most. But now it ends with a thud.
It is not how you start but how you finish and that is where people will remember the season the most. But now it ends with a thud.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:57 am to Razorback Reverend
Very similar SEC season too in his first year. We lost 3 conference games that year by a total of 6 points. This year we’ve lost 3 conference games by a total of 7 points.
Bielema had a 4 point loss to LSU and a 7 point loss to State in year 1. The rest were 10+ point losses.
Morris lost by 4 to Ole Miss and by 7 to A&M and LSU. He also had 4 losses of 31 points or more in year 1.
Bielema had a 4 point loss to LSU and a 7 point loss to State in year 1. The rest were 10+ point losses.
Morris lost by 4 to Ole Miss and by 7 to A&M and LSU. He also had 4 losses of 31 points or more in year 1.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:04 am to Razorback Reverend
Yes but Petrino ended his first year with a come from behind victory against LSU. That fired up the fans and gave the team confidence going into the off season.
If he didn't win that game then no one would remember the other victories of that year because the fans would still remember the losing streak ending the year.
If he didn't win that game then no one would remember the other victories of that year because the fans would still remember the losing streak ending the year.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:09 am to TheCheshireHog
Bert had a double digit lead against LSU in his first year. But he blew the lead and lost. The season ended with a nine game losing streak. Fans had no confidence and didn't start believing that Bert was the right guy until his two SEC wins in his second season.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:46 am to dchog
Sam is doing his best, but the oy remedy for this team is recruiting and mentality.... and it's not even close.
As someone posted earlier, 3-4 4* recruits per class ain't gonna get you anywhere beyond about 6-6 in a normal year. Not in the sec west, unless you get a really favorable draw from the east w/ Vandy.
In saying that, it also looks like Ole Miss, Miss State, Mizzou, and us are all recruiting about the same right now (top 20-30 type classes.)
That means a lot of close games against Tems you can get W's against.
No on campus visits is also killing a place like Arkansas where the campus itself sells and closes alot of recruits.
The recruiting landscape has also changed a ton in tbe last 5 year or so. The big programs are sucking up all the top recruits, even more so than they used to.
All I know is this. There needs to be serious bag man Infrastructure overhauls. And I'm not kidding.
They need the best, most covert network there is. They need to get KGB on their arse.
I think Chad actually had it started (maybe they were using bitcoin like Clemson was always rumored to be using) but he definetly had 4* talent lined up until the damn broke and his bullshite was figured out.
He would have definetly had us in the top 20 recruiting every year had he been even an average coach and stayed the course, but that didn't happen, obviously.
As someone posted earlier, 3-4 4* recruits per class ain't gonna get you anywhere beyond about 6-6 in a normal year. Not in the sec west, unless you get a really favorable draw from the east w/ Vandy.
In saying that, it also looks like Ole Miss, Miss State, Mizzou, and us are all recruiting about the same right now (top 20-30 type classes.)
That means a lot of close games against Tems you can get W's against.
No on campus visits is also killing a place like Arkansas where the campus itself sells and closes alot of recruits.
The recruiting landscape has also changed a ton in tbe last 5 year or so. The big programs are sucking up all the top recruits, even more so than they used to.
All I know is this. There needs to be serious bag man Infrastructure overhauls. And I'm not kidding.
They need the best, most covert network there is. They need to get KGB on their arse.
I think Chad actually had it started (maybe they were using bitcoin like Clemson was always rumored to be using) but he definetly had 4* talent lined up until the damn broke and his bullshite was figured out.
He would have definetly had us in the top 20 recruiting every year had he been even an average coach and stayed the course, but that didn't happen, obviously.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 3:57 am to dchog
I expect as good as Houston Nutt, most likely.
As long as he keeps up with having good coordinators recruiting and special teams, we will have above Average 8-10 win seasons. When we have shite recruiting years and special teams, we will have 4-7 wins.
As long as he keeps up with having good coordinators recruiting and special teams, we will have above Average 8-10 win seasons. When we have shite recruiting years and special teams, we will have 4-7 wins.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 4:34 am to Razorback Reverend
quote:Also beat Western Illinois by a whopping 4 points and needed a miracle to beat ULM by 1 but don't let that stop the narrative.
btw BP was 2/7 in his first 9 sec games....
He lost to both Mississippi schools, Kentucky, and South Carolina all in year 1. Pittman's year 1 has been better but it doesn't look like some are ready for that talk yet.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 4:40 am
Posted on 12/6/20 at 7:56 am to Beached Tusky
We are 3 plays away from being 6-3 with an all SEC schedule with zero depth and very little talent compared to the teams we have played. He had almost zero spring practice to get better with a team that went 1-23 in the SEC the previous 3 years.
We currently have the #19 recruiting class in the nation and he hasn't even been able to host recruits. He went out and took us from a 100+ recruiting class ranking to top 30 and had one of the best February signing day hauls in the nation last year in little more than a month. He got us the BEST grad transfer QB available.
From the evidence we have right now HY has made the best hires in the two biggest sports that we have made in 30+ years.
It isn't the 70's anymore. We are not a national power. we haven't been one for a very long time. College football has changed and being in the SEC is the ONLY thing that has kept us even close to being relevant and able to recruit at a high level. We would be Ok St in the B12 at best right now... or we could just look at Kansas for an example of where Jeff Long would have had us in that conference. Both teams that will be absolutely fricked when OK and Texas leave during the next realignment.
Stop dumping your ignorant bullshite on this board. You are a petulant bitch and are talking out of your arse.
SHUT
THE
frick
UP
We currently have the #19 recruiting class in the nation and he hasn't even been able to host recruits. He went out and took us from a 100+ recruiting class ranking to top 30 and had one of the best February signing day hauls in the nation last year in little more than a month. He got us the BEST grad transfer QB available.
From the evidence we have right now HY has made the best hires in the two biggest sports that we have made in 30+ years.
It isn't the 70's anymore. We are not a national power. we haven't been one for a very long time. College football has changed and being in the SEC is the ONLY thing that has kept us even close to being relevant and able to recruit at a high level. We would be Ok St in the B12 at best right now... or we could just look at Kansas for an example of where Jeff Long would have had us in that conference. Both teams that will be absolutely fricked when OK and Texas leave during the next realignment.
Stop dumping your ignorant bullshite on this board. You are a petulant bitch and are talking out of your arse.
SHUT
THE
frick
UP
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:49 am to V Bainbridge
This is a great perspective.
There's some hogville level stupid frickwadery in this thread.
What Pitt has done with this team full of sunbelt talent is pretty impressive to anyone with common sense.
Our defense has very little talent in the starting 11. There just aren't many athletes beyond Catalon.
There's some hogville level stupid frickwadery in this thread.
What Pitt has done with this team full of sunbelt talent is pretty impressive to anyone with common sense.
Our defense has very little talent in the starting 11. There just aren't many athletes beyond Catalon.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:11 am to Jack Ruby
We can get the players here but the problem is Arkansas has refused to get better for so many years. It is going to take a winning attitude to turn things around here. Arkansas is good at making excuses but is time to drop it and embrace higher expectations.
I have Sam winning 6-6 or 7-5 as the good years. He lacks the proof in his coaching experience to make an informed conclusion that he will take Arkansas to bigger heights.
That doesn't mean he won't be able to but he has no head coaching experience and has no history to back up that claim.
The no on campus visits hurt programs like Arkansas much more than places like Alabama. A player can get an offer from Alabama and commit on the spot without visiting because Alabama has such a high prestige. But with an offer Arkansas, it doesn't cross the minds of these recruits because Arkansas is a loser to them. So with an official visit on campus, it gives us a fighting chance to land these recruits.
We don't need to go the way of bag men. Ole Miss did it and had nothing to show for it. Hugh freeze wasn't a good enough coach to take advantage of the situation and lost to Bert of all people.
No we need to have a greater emphasis on football here. Keep making good hires and we will be in good shape. Keep making bad hires and we will always be what we are now.
I have Sam winning 6-6 or 7-5 as the good years. He lacks the proof in his coaching experience to make an informed conclusion that he will take Arkansas to bigger heights.
That doesn't mean he won't be able to but he has no head coaching experience and has no history to back up that claim.
The no on campus visits hurt programs like Arkansas much more than places like Alabama. A player can get an offer from Alabama and commit on the spot without visiting because Alabama has such a high prestige. But with an offer Arkansas, it doesn't cross the minds of these recruits because Arkansas is a loser to them. So with an official visit on campus, it gives us a fighting chance to land these recruits.
We don't need to go the way of bag men. Ole Miss did it and had nothing to show for it. Hugh freeze wasn't a good enough coach to take advantage of the situation and lost to Bert of all people.
No we need to have a greater emphasis on football here. Keep making good hires and we will be in good shape. Keep making bad hires and we will always be what we are now.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:47 am to dchog
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We don't need to go the way of bag men. Ole Miss did it and had nothing to show for it. Hugh freeze wasn't a good enough coach to take advantage of the situation and lost to Bert of all people.
Eh, they won a Sugar Bowl which is slightly more than we’ve done in the SEC and probably would have won the SEC if it wasn’t for our improbable 4th and 25 play lol. But if we were ever in that situation I’m sure the same crazy shite would happen to us too because it always does
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:22 am to gohogs141
But they never won the west or won an SEC title with freeze.
They did all that cheating but never had the coaching to get them over the hump.
We had back to back 10 win seasons. When was the last Ole miss had back to back 10 win seasons? Why couldn't freeze accomplish that with all the cheating he did?
They did all that cheating but never had the coaching to get them over the hump.
We had back to back 10 win seasons. When was the last Ole miss had back to back 10 win seasons? Why couldn't freeze accomplish that with all the cheating he did?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:34 am to dchog
Freeze wasn't as good of a coach as Petrino.
Look at Fisher... that guy is a master of underachievement.
Look at Fisher... that guy is a master of underachievement.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:54 am to Beached Tusky
shite no freeze is no where near on the level as Petrino. If Petrino was at Ole miss with the same level of talent as freeze then he would have won a couple of SEC titles.
Fisher is another fraud. He isn't going to do shite at A&M. Another bad hire with so much money invested in his contract.
Fisher is another fraud. He isn't going to do shite at A&M. Another bad hire with so much money invested in his contract.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:55 am to dchog
I expect us to continue to compete and improve. After how terrible we've been, I think Sam's job is to make us respectable for a few years, and to elevate the coaching/recruiting on campus.
I think Sam's tenure has potential to be like Mike Anderson's for the basketball program, where we improve as a program and become a more attractive job for the next cycle.
EDIT: In terms of record 7-5/6-6 normally with potential upside. This year ended disappointingly, but we would've gone 6-6 (3-5) playing our original 2020 schedule(beat the non con besides Notre Dame, and still beat MSU, Ole Miss, and UT). That's a huge improvement from 2-10 (0-8)
I think Sam's tenure has potential to be like Mike Anderson's for the basketball program, where we improve as a program and become a more attractive job for the next cycle.
EDIT: In terms of record 7-5/6-6 normally with potential upside. This year ended disappointingly, but we would've gone 6-6 (3-5) playing our original 2020 schedule(beat the non con besides Notre Dame, and still beat MSU, Ole Miss, and UT). That's a huge improvement from 2-10 (0-8)
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:58 am to gohogs141
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But if we were ever in that situation I’m sure the same crazy shite would happen to us too because it always does
Let me tell you a story about a little thing called the Stoernover...
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:00 am to Riggle
Yes and I expect Sam to be here at the most six years and then he will retire. It will be a more attractive job for the next coach.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:04 am to Riggle
Yes we will go to being a bowl eligible team with Sam each year. That is a big leap from the yearly 2-10 seasons that we have seen.
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