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re: Please don’t make fun of Barry!
Posted on 9/19/22 at 3:27 pm to dchog
Posted on 9/19/22 at 3:27 pm to dchog
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I would never say never in anything. If given enough time and Arkansas keeps winning and don't have bad hires then it can happen.
Problem is Arkansas high school football will likely never significantly improve. The only reason Oklahoma, who is an outlier with the proximity to talent/in-state talent thing I talked about above, is able to recruit like they do is because they've been winning at a high level from basically 1950 onwards. Their brand is larger than ours and allows them to recruit nationally.
It would take literal decades of 9-10 win seasons for us to do the same.
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 3:33 pm to Porcine Human
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It would take literal decades of 9-10 win seasons for us to do the same.
Or the right NIL deals from the richest in the state.
Maybe SEC offenses have changed so much that we'll never have a good to great defense again at Arkansas, but as recently as 2014 we had a very good to great defense by most accounts and Nutt had a respectable defense most years he was here.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 4:23 pm to troyt37
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I went back to take a look at who we have recruited for our secondary since Odom was hired, just to get an idea of why we are so thin. I don't know most of these kid's story, besides the names we all recognize.
2020
Myles Slusher 4* S
Nick Turner 3* S
Khari Johnson 3* CB
Martaveous Brown CB
Jerry Jacobs CB
2021
Keuan Parker 3* CB
Chase Lowrey 3* CB
Trent Gordon 3* CB
2022
Anthony Brown 3* S
Jaylen Lewis 3* CB
Brini Xfer
McGlothern Xfer
So that's 12 bodies. I don't know which ones didn't make it, transferred out, etc., and I couldn't tell you if that is just too few, or what. Anyone?
2020
S Myles Slusher - 4* - Third commit of 2020 class after coaching change.
CB Jerry Jacobs - Graduate transfer from Ark State - Sixth commit of 2020 class. - Now in the NFL
CB Khari Johnson - 3* - Chose us over UGA and is playing multiple DB spots.
S/NB Nick Turner - 3* - Transferred to Toledo; left with the New Orleans crew after the Sam Carter stuff.
Martaveous Brown was a walk-on transfer from Arkansas Tech.
2021
S Jayden Johnson - 3* - Georgia HS player flipped from S Carolina. Has played a lot.
CB Chase Lowery - 3* - Hasn't played, didn't make the fall camp 105 and is a likely attrition transfer this offseason.
CB Keuan Parker - 3* - Some encouraging words from Pittman in the past week likely pushing him to take advantage of opportunities.
NB Trent Gordon - Transferred from Penn State. Texas player.
2022
S Anthony Brown - 3* - Tennessee HS player from east of Memphis, Milan. Likely hope to redshirt.
CB Jaylen Lewis - 3* - Tennessee HS player from east of Memphis, Brownsville. Likely hope to redshirt.
CB Dwight McGlothern - Transferred from LSU. Texas player. Starter.
S Latavious Brini - Transferred from Georgia. Florida player. Starter in Catalon's spot.
This doesn't account for the two SEC caliber starters who were former walk-ons Simeon Blair and Hudson Clark.
2023 - coming for next year
CB Dallas Young - Very high 3* - Alabama player from Gardendale. Fourth commit of class. Had UGA, FSU, MSU, OM offers.
S Christian Ford - 3* - Texas player from McKinney. Coached by former Hog Marcus Shavers.
CB RJ Johnson - 3* - Georgia player from McDonough. Has size at 6-2 and had FLA, LSU, UK, SCAR, OM, MSU offers.
S TJ Metcalf - Very high 3* - Alabama player from Pinson. Cousin of DK Metcalf. Had Penn State, FSU, Miami, Michigan, Mich State, MSU, OM, TENN offers.
CB Jaylon Braxton - 4* - Texas player from Frisco. Consensus 4*. 4th highest player in the class. Flipped from Michigan State with Baylor and Miami being others in top 4.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 4:24 pm to cubsfan5150
From what I have gathered in this thread is that, 95% of you have taken the onus away Barry. Just let him keep skating by doing the least, because we are poor ol Arkansas… how dare we expect more from a coach cashing damn near $2 Million dollar checks.
I’m not expecting him to land all 5 stars, I am expecting him to hand 4 stars and back ups that can contribute… he has brought none that weren’t transfers or Slusher. And I do believe Slusher was signed when Pittman was shoring up the first class. So just because Barry got the credit doesn’t mean it wasn’t Pittdog out there doing work.
I’m not expecting him to land all 5 stars, I am expecting him to hand 4 stars and back ups that can contribute… he has brought none that weren’t transfers or Slusher. And I do believe Slusher was signed when Pittman was shoring up the first class. So just because Barry got the credit doesn’t mean it wasn’t Pittdog out there doing work.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 5:05 pm to FayetteNAM
Yeah, we need to get Chavis back.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 5:10 pm to RazorHawg
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This doesn't account for the two SEC caliber starters who were former walk-ons Simeon Blair and Hudson Clark
The most concerning thing to me about Odom.
Playing two former walkons.
Seems like he could've found two better players in the portal.
3-0
#10 in the polls
I'm not gonna complain too much.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:01 pm to Porcine Human
The far majority of football programs recruit out of state because of the high level of recruiting competition within those states. Some programs do recruit more within a certain a state but most don't especially when they have multiple power 5 programs.
Arkansas is a southern state located in the southeast. They are surrounded by Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. Those states have a lot of football talent.
K.J Jefferson Mississippi.
Trey knox Tennessee.
A.J Green Oklahoma.
Ketron Jackson Texas.
Bryce Stephens Oklahoma.
Ricky Stromberg Oklahoma.
Brady Latham Oklahoma.
Myles Slusher Oklahoma.
Jalen Catalon Texas.
Beaux Limmer Texas.
Bumper Pool Texas.
Dominique Johnson Texas.
After a few recruiting classes Sam got some players from Georgia.
Cameron Ball.
Rashod Dubinion.
Chris Paul Jr.
Jayden Johnson.
Jaccorei Turner.
Arkansas has four more players from Georgia on the way in the 2023 class. If that class holds then Arkansas will have 15 players from that state including the transfer of Jadon Haselwood and that is the second highest among players from out of state behind Texas. I guess the long trip didn't bother them.
Rocket Sanders Florida.
Matt Landers Florida.
Warren Thompson Florida.
Jordan Domineck Florida.
Latavious Brini Florida.
Arkansas is getting some good players from Florida.
On the defensive line, three starters are from Arkansas.
Isiah Nichols.
Zach Williams.
Jashuad Stewart.
The other Eric Gregory from Tennessee. After three games that is a solid unit.
Arkansas football is getting better. Have you seen the improvement from the Little Rock metro area? I have and they will continue to get better to the point that they can beat any out of state high school team in the nation. Arkansas has more football talent than what people believe. They are either underdeveloped and undisciplined by a shitty coach or they are wasting away getting in trouble. Arkansas may not ever be great in high school football but it certainly can do a lot better.
Oklahoma had an advantage because of the massive cheating they engaged since the 50s. They made Arkansas look like amateurs in comparison. They had an outlaw image but got slammed with major probation in the 90s. They took advantage of a weak Big 8 and Big 12. Now they will join a brutal conference where Bama makes the rules and they ain't going to be as good as they were in the past.
It won't take decades to do the same. If Oklahoma goes to shite with the coach they have and continue to hire shite coaches then it won't be long before they go from the penthouse to the outhouse. Considering they have unrealistic expectations and delusional fans, that will happen in a much tougher conference.
Arkansas is a southern state located in the southeast. They are surrounded by Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. Those states have a lot of football talent.
K.J Jefferson Mississippi.
Trey knox Tennessee.
A.J Green Oklahoma.
Ketron Jackson Texas.
Bryce Stephens Oklahoma.
Ricky Stromberg Oklahoma.
Brady Latham Oklahoma.
Myles Slusher Oklahoma.
Jalen Catalon Texas.
Beaux Limmer Texas.
Bumper Pool Texas.
Dominique Johnson Texas.
After a few recruiting classes Sam got some players from Georgia.
Cameron Ball.
Rashod Dubinion.
Chris Paul Jr.
Jayden Johnson.
Jaccorei Turner.
Arkansas has four more players from Georgia on the way in the 2023 class. If that class holds then Arkansas will have 15 players from that state including the transfer of Jadon Haselwood and that is the second highest among players from out of state behind Texas. I guess the long trip didn't bother them.
Rocket Sanders Florida.
Matt Landers Florida.
Warren Thompson Florida.
Jordan Domineck Florida.
Latavious Brini Florida.
Arkansas is getting some good players from Florida.
On the defensive line, three starters are from Arkansas.
Isiah Nichols.
Zach Williams.
Jashuad Stewart.
The other Eric Gregory from Tennessee. After three games that is a solid unit.
Arkansas football is getting better. Have you seen the improvement from the Little Rock metro area? I have and they will continue to get better to the point that they can beat any out of state high school team in the nation. Arkansas has more football talent than what people believe. They are either underdeveloped and undisciplined by a shitty coach or they are wasting away getting in trouble. Arkansas may not ever be great in high school football but it certainly can do a lot better.
Oklahoma had an advantage because of the massive cheating they engaged since the 50s. They made Arkansas look like amateurs in comparison. They had an outlaw image but got slammed with major probation in the 90s. They took advantage of a weak Big 8 and Big 12. Now they will join a brutal conference where Bama makes the rules and they ain't going to be as good as they were in the past.
It won't take decades to do the same. If Oklahoma goes to shite with the coach they have and continue to hire shite coaches then it won't be long before they go from the penthouse to the outhouse. Considering they have unrealistic expectations and delusional fans, that will happen in a much tougher conference.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:12 pm to dchog
I didn't say we didn't recruit out of state because obviously we have to, but it's always hard to pry the top tier recruits away from Texas, Florida, etc. because the in-state schools will always have the advantage. Those top tier recruits are what top 10 classes consist of.
I love our guys but none of them were the top tier recruits in their states besides two of the transfers. Our staff has done a good job with them though.
Are they improving? NLR is good but Central and most of the Little Rock schools are disasters from what I know. Low funding and poor coaching. Central is still using that same musty arse gym under the stadium they've been using forever.
I love our guys but none of them were the top tier recruits in their states besides two of the transfers. Our staff has done a good job with them though.
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Arkansas football is getting better. Have you seen the improvement from the Little Rock metro area?
Are they improving? NLR is good but Central and most of the Little Rock schools are disasters from what I know. Low funding and poor coaching. Central is still using that same musty arse gym under the stadium they've been using forever.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:28 pm to FayetteNAM
Arkansas fans need to give Sam and the staff a lot of slack. This program has been a punching bag for 10 years of a horrible stretch of football not seen since before Frank Broyles.
Arkansas needs stability like a drug addict needs meth. This is a major rebuild in only year three. It is unrealistic to expect Arkansas to have good depth at all these positions. This job is a rebuild from nothing. Zero redshirting and player development from Bert and Chad. This is why Sam favors experience and less talent than inexperience and more talent. Examples are Clark and Blair.
He doesn't want to play a true freshman at any position. That is what our shitty coaches did. They lose confidence and transfer out. This is why the retention rate was horrible. All this will put any coach in a very tough spot and so I don't expect to make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
Arkansas was an average team last year and this year but what makes them punch above average is the grit and toughness they have. They don't give up and that makes a good team.
Arkansas needs stability like a drug addict needs meth. This is a major rebuild in only year three. It is unrealistic to expect Arkansas to have good depth at all these positions. This job is a rebuild from nothing. Zero redshirting and player development from Bert and Chad. This is why Sam favors experience and less talent than inexperience and more talent. Examples are Clark and Blair.
He doesn't want to play a true freshman at any position. That is what our shitty coaches did. They lose confidence and transfer out. This is why the retention rate was horrible. All this will put any coach in a very tough spot and so I don't expect to make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
Arkansas was an average team last year and this year but what makes them punch above average is the grit and toughness they have. They don't give up and that makes a good team.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:34 pm to dchog
quote:Clark started as a true freshman walk on. The experienced guy threw a tantrum and quit because of it.
This is why Sam favors experience and less talent than inexperience and more talent. Examples are Clark and Blair. He doesn't want to play a true freshman at any position. That is what our shitty coaches did
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:39 pm to Porcine Human
Got in on this one late... But I wouldn't be just real heart broke to lose Odom or Briles either one. Briles does some mind numbing shite sometimes and I wince every time I see us line up with 3 on the line and the rest of them already backpedaling. We're in a great spot so I'm not going to call for anybody's head, I'm super greatful for the work both of them have put in but yea they do some frustrating shite. I really question how either one of them would do as a head coach if they were hired away.
I'd be real heart broke to lose Pittman though. Seems like he keeps Briles out of his own way, and goes the extra mile that Odom can't/won't go as far as managing a program.
Of the 2 I'd be less worried about replacing Odom. That may change in a game or 2 though
I'd be real heart broke to lose Pittman though. Seems like he keeps Briles out of his own way, and goes the extra mile that Odom can't/won't go as far as managing a program.
Of the 2 I'd be less worried about replacing Odom. That may change in a game or 2 though
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:44 pm to dchog
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This is why Sam favors experience and less talent than inexperience and more talent. Examples are Clark and Blair.
After watching 2.5 games of Blair, his arse needs to be on the bench. We just don't have another warm body. If Sam's willingly letting that type of product make it on the field over someone more talented but less experienced, lord help us
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:46 pm to dammitbert
If you think our OC and DC are somewhere in the B- to B+ range, you really should want to keep them for continuity. That is more valuable than a slight upgrade in quality (especially considering there is a risk that you end up with a worse coach)
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:46 pm to dammitbert
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After watching 2.5 games of Blair, his arse needs to be on the bench. We just don't have another warm body. If Sam's willingly letting that type of product make it on the field over someone more talented but less experienced, lord help us
I've seen posters on our 247 board say Blair is involved in getting everyone lined up correctly/knows the defense really well, but I don't know if they're just guessing or actually know that.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:48 pm to Porcine Human
Well Pittman did say he was the shoe in for captain after Catalon went down, had the next most votes. Like... How? Lol
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:52 pm to Porcine Human
Recruiting classes are tied in with prestige of said program. Alabama offers and thus recruit is a five star but that can't be said of if Arkansas offers because no matter the size and 40 time, they are a three star. Cincinnati had nine players drafted this year, all redshirt seniors and all but one were former three and two recruits. They either weren't developed enough out of high school or completely overlooked. They had a linebacker drafted that was 6-5 250 and is bigger and probably more athletic than our linebackers last year. But because they are Cincinnati and in a G5 conference, they are supposed to be hated and ignored.
Florida and Texas are large states that have a lot of talent. It is impossible to recruit them all and so you have plenty to go around that are under the radar.
Just because they weren't top tier recruits doesn't mean they can't be potential high level draft prospects. Player development is key.
They are getting better because of the new coaching hires they had. Sam has been offering more in that area than in the past because he sees the potential. Basketball is a big deal in Little Rock but football can pull its weight as well.
Florida and Texas are large states that have a lot of talent. It is impossible to recruit them all and so you have plenty to go around that are under the radar.
Just because they weren't top tier recruits doesn't mean they can't be potential high level draft prospects. Player development is key.
They are getting better because of the new coaching hires they had. Sam has been offering more in that area than in the past because he sees the potential. Basketball is a big deal in Little Rock but football can pull its weight as well.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:04 pm to beaverfever
He probably didn't like his attitude and was going to bench him.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:08 pm to dammitbert
I'm sure he has a reason for starting both. Maybe the younger players aren't ready yet.
The more these seasons go on the less you will see these walk-ons on the depth chart.
The more these seasons go on the less you will see these walk-ons on the depth chart.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:10 pm to The Sultan of Swine
It is less of a coaching problem and more of a talent and depth problem. You could always wish for someone better but end up with someone worse. That will likely happen.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:12 pm to FayetteNAM
I'm confused on how you got that from my post
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