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Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:59 pm to Hawgeye
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:59 pm to Hawgeye
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You seem to get offended quite easily when someone knows differently and/or disagrees with you. You should work on that.
Same thing I was thinking about you. You should take your own advice and work on that. You went off the rails a couple years ago about basketball as well so this is twice now for you. Not good.
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Again, SMU’s stadium isn’t a dump, and I asked when was the last time you’ve been there…if ever…which I assume not
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And no, none of those listed are dream jobs
They are.
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You seem to have quite the issue with SMU, for whatever reason.
You should be an SMU fan you already sound like one. You may be a lot happier until Lashlee leaves soon.
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Yes, you stated that
Correct my quote says Auburn Florida and OU are dream jobs. Arkansas never listed for a 3rd time now.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 11:08 pm
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:09 pm to UltimateHog
Auburn is in an interesting spot, freeze is underperforming Harsin, but he is "recruiting" which the lack there of had been the excuse for every HC firing post Dye.
His offense isn't offensing enough to win games. The sec and big12 seem to have figured out the Gus bus, same to be true about freeze?
His offense isn't offensing enough to win games. The sec and big12 seem to have figured out the Gus bus, same to be true about freeze?
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:12 pm to DaleDenton
I don't see how Freeze survives next year even at 7-5 they will can him and it's hard to see them winning more right now.
Same with Vegetables at OU. He's going to clean house on assistants to buy another year but he's a bad head coach and gone next year too. Same reasons year after year at Clemson everyone kept passing on him. Hated that hire for OU.
If I'm Lashlee I'm taking the OU job, proximity to Texas recruiting ties not a far move and better job than Auburn.
Same with Vegetables at OU. He's going to clean house on assistants to buy another year but he's a bad head coach and gone next year too. Same reasons year after year at Clemson everyone kept passing on him. Hated that hire for OU.
If I'm Lashlee I'm taking the OU job, proximity to Texas recruiting ties not a far move and better job than Auburn.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:22 pm to UltimateHog
Lashlee to OU makes a ton of sense. Why they ever thought bringing a defense first guy in there would work is beyond me.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:33 pm to TheCheshireHog
Especially when they ran him out on a rail a decade prior.
Hearing the same one blame him for every loss while he was DC there then clame he was the next kirby smart made for interesting conversations.
I think we can all agree Dabo and Clemson had advantages, conference schedule and things that are legal at the current time but not so back then. Similar to Danny Ford's tenure there. On their own and as a collective Dabo and the much desired staff isn't the world beater people believed them to be when on an equal playing field.
Hearing the same one blame him for every loss while he was DC there then clame he was the next kirby smart made for interesting conversations.
I think we can all agree Dabo and Clemson had advantages, conference schedule and things that are legal at the current time but not so back then. Similar to Danny Ford's tenure there. On their own and as a collective Dabo and the much desired staff isn't the world beater people believed them to be when on an equal playing field.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:45 pm to DaleDenton
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Just because it's the best option when the house lights come on, doesn't mean it was best option of the night...
I’ve wanted Sam gone every year:
I wanted Cignetti/Deboer/Fisch last year.
I wanted Rhule the year before that.
I wanted Lane to start this off…
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:52 pm to FayetteNAM
I find it humorous that of all the Saban coaches who found themselves in jobs the proved to be in now way qualified to have only to fall backwards into equal jobs before being sent to exile, its the position coach that no one was interested in promoting who drops down a division and shows back up a decade later on most fbs hc wish lists.
Not Muschamp, Dooley, jimbo, kirby, etc but cignetti.
Rolling the dice in Vegas may actually have better odds than finding the best possible HC for a football team.
Not Muschamp, Dooley, jimbo, kirby, etc but cignetti.
Rolling the dice in Vegas may actually have better odds than finding the best possible HC for a football team.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:58 pm to DaleDenton
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cignetti
I don’t think we should go after him. He is gonna get overpaid this off season. And odds are it’s gonna end in heart break. Just like Dykes after his one good year.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:16 am to FayetteNAM
One year sample size at 63 years old is definitely a gamble.
People praise him at JMU but it really wasn't impressive IMO. They lost to App State last year the only other remotely solid team and lost by 10 to Air Force in the bowl game.
And even if 9-0 at IU is impressive, tell me their best win? Nebraska? 5-4 Washington? That schedule is terrible, but yes still impressive to win every game but a far cry from an SEC schedule. One ranked team all season, @OSU in 2 weeks. Maybe even just 2 teams that will qualify for a bowl game in an entire season.
People praise him at JMU but it really wasn't impressive IMO. They lost to App State last year the only other remotely solid team and lost by 10 to Air Force in the bowl game.
And even if 9-0 at IU is impressive, tell me their best win? Nebraska? 5-4 Washington? That schedule is terrible, but yes still impressive to win every game but a far cry from an SEC schedule. One ranked team all season, @OSU in 2 weeks. Maybe even just 2 teams that will qualify for a bowl game in an entire season.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:01 am to UltimateHog
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You should be an SMU fan you already sound like one. You may be a lot happier until Lashlee leaves soon
Ahh…there it is…the ole “you should be a fan of X school if you know anything about them or what goes one there” from you.
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You went off the rails a couple years ago about basketball as well so this is twice now for you. Not good.
No clue what you’re talking about…Meanwhile, if you don’t get your way you’ll just axe a thread or a post.
Congrats
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:03 am to Hawgeye
Now let’s get the thread back on topic…
Lashlee isn’t coming here…
Dan Mullen, Barry Odom, are probably two that come easier.
Odom was in Fayetteville this past weekend.
Lashlee isn’t coming here…
Dan Mullen, Barry Odom, are probably two that come easier.
Odom was in Fayetteville this past weekend.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:07 am to FayetteNAM
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don’t think we should go after him. He is gonna get overpaid this off season.
His deal will be interesting to watch. The cat is 63 year old and not a spring chicken. Just wonder if he stays at IU and doesn’t move again at his age…OR if he bolts after one season.
If he doesn’t leave after this season, he misses his opportunity. Talking about a guy who would be damn near 70 after his first 4 year contract was f he stayed one more year at IU.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:07 am to Hawgeye
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Dan Mullen, Barry Odom, are probably two that come easier.
Odom was in Fayetteville this past weekend.
Stop the trolling.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:10 am to boogiewoogie1978
Would you really have a problem with Mullen? I’m not sure I would.
I think he got unfairly done at Florida. Did very well at State. I wouldn’t be mad at all.
Odom I would absolutely hate, but I wouldn’t be excited.
I think he got unfairly done at Florida. Did very well at State. I wouldn’t be mad at all.
Odom I would absolutely hate, but I wouldn’t be excited.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:55 am to Hawgeye
SCAR thought Muschamp was unfairly done at Florida.
Mullen did well for state when considering they are state. He basically had Florida at the same level which is not as impressive when at Florida.
Odom's handling of NIL cost him his season this year.
Neither guy is a top recruiter and Arkansas has basically no NIL according to the administration so they can't buy their way into recruiting.
Both sound like more of the same as Pittman. Odom has the better social skills and personality of the two, but neither are going to create donations based on excitement level.
Mullen did well for state when considering they are state. He basically had Florida at the same level which is not as impressive when at Florida.
Odom's handling of NIL cost him his season this year.
Neither guy is a top recruiter and Arkansas has basically no NIL according to the administration so they can't buy their way into recruiting.
Both sound like more of the same as Pittman. Odom has the better social skills and personality of the two, but neither are going to create donations based on excitement level.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:28 am to DaleDenton
Mullen would be a disaster.
There was a good longform article written on his last year and a half at Florida and how things went sideways, but suffice it say that he completely stopped giving a shite, started totally deferring to his assistants, and stopped recruiting.
Plus he’s been out of coaching for 3 years now, and in those 3 years college football has undergone the largest paradigm shift in its history. Three years might as well be 30 at this point.
There was a good longform article written on his last year and a half at Florida and how things went sideways, but suffice it say that he completely stopped giving a shite, started totally deferring to his assistants, and stopped recruiting.
Plus he’s been out of coaching for 3 years now, and in those 3 years college football has undergone the largest paradigm shift in its history. Three years might as well be 30 at this point.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:32 am to DaleDenton
We’ll see how the revenue sharing impacts things, but as NIL currently sits I could see more coaches sticking around at their current schools. SMU has a clear path to the playoffs and the money to support buying a team. Not sure the draw of playing in the SEC or Big10 is the same as it was even 3-4 years ago.
At this point we’d be better off hiring someone from a FCS school that has proven HC experience. Adding a GM to source talent and NIL. Otherwise we’ll spend $$$ to go from 5 or 7 wins to someone like Odom getting 6 to 8 wins.
At this point we’d be better off hiring someone from a FCS school that has proven HC experience. Adding a GM to source talent and NIL. Otherwise we’ll spend $$$ to go from 5 or 7 wins to someone like Odom getting 6 to 8 wins.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:59 am to GoldenSombrero
OK, I won't bring up Lunney Jr. again....
let's talk about current names floating.....
Cignetti.... definitely my first choice out there. Has some good years left and will hit a ceiling at IU. Not sure if he would want the challenge of building a monster from a dumpster fire in the SEC though.
Lashlee..... I do not have knowledge of just how loyal to Gus he is so I don't know if he would ignore the offer based on that. If he's willing to sit down at the table, then we at least need to vet him.
Mullen.... think he's over it at this point.... not enough left in the tank for another run.
I'm gonna add a name......GJ Kinne
offensive innovator and has done well at a historical dormat.
Would also through the name Jeff Traylor out there.....
may give us bad Chad Morris nightmares but he and Stepp were the two rockstars from that staff.
let's talk about current names floating.....
Cignetti.... definitely my first choice out there. Has some good years left and will hit a ceiling at IU. Not sure if he would want the challenge of building a monster from a dumpster fire in the SEC though.
Lashlee..... I do not have knowledge of just how loyal to Gus he is so I don't know if he would ignore the offer based on that. If he's willing to sit down at the table, then we at least need to vet him.
Mullen.... think he's over it at this point.... not enough left in the tank for another run.
I'm gonna add a name......GJ Kinne
offensive innovator and has done well at a historical dormat.
Would also through the name Jeff Traylor out there.....
may give us bad Chad Morris nightmares but he and Stepp were the two rockstars from that staff.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:00 am to DaleDenton
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SCAR thought Muschamp was unfairly done at Florida.
Mullen did well for state when considering they are state. He basically had Florida at the same level which is not as impressive when at Florida.
Both had pretty drastically different Florida resumes though, at least in my opinion.
Mullen went 10-3, 11-2, 8-4, then 6-7. In his final season they lost to #1 Bama by 2, Kentucky by 7, @LSU by 7, and @ Missouri in OT. Finished in the top 13 of rankings 3/4 years and finished in the top 6 2/4 seasons.
Muschamp overall, was pretty mediocre. He had one season of 11 wins, then never got another season above 7 wins going 7-6, 11-2, 4-8, and 6-5. He only finished ranked in one season.
But I get your point.
I think when you look at Mullen overall and what he did at State, it could correlate better at Arkansas, because he has experience and has won at a lower to mid SEC job. He was .500 or better in 5 of his 9 seasons in SEC play at State. For reference, Arkansas has only had .500 or better SEC seasons 5 times since 2007 (wow that isn't good).
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Odom's handling of NIL cost him his season this year.
That for sure seemed like a shite show.
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Neither guy is a top recruiter and Arkansas has basically no NIL according to the administration so they can't buy their way into recruiting.
I am pretty sure the money will be there if/when Pittman leaves. I am confident in that.
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Both sound like more of the same as Pittman. Odom has the better social skills and personality of the two, but neither are going to create donations based on excitement level.
At this point, I just want more wins.
I do not think Cignetti is going to be an option just on his age and where he is at in his career. I liked the idea of Jeff Traylor, but man they have been rough this season. His overall record though is still solid.
Tyson Helton at Western Kentucky? If you really want to go young and mid major, Clint Killough at Incarnate Word.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:01 am to Hawgeye
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think he got unfairly done at Florida. Did very well at State. I wouldn’t be mad at all.
I don't. He's a grade a jackass and wouldn't help get any boosters involved the days of Dan Mullen and petrino getting to be jackasses and not having to politic for cash are gone with NIL....
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