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Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:27 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:27 pm to Drewbie
Arkansas is spending enough to be average this year in the SEC. That has the case since they joined the SEC.
Why do think Alabama has been historically elite for so long? Because they care about it a lot more than we do and they have more money in a bigger state that can provide those resources.
Why has Ohio State been so good for so long? Because they are located in a state with almost 12 million in population that gives them an edge and especially when it comes to NIL.
Arkansas hasn't in the past and certainly not able to outspend these programs for a reason.
Why do think Alabama has been historically elite for so long? Because they care about it a lot more than we do and they have more money in a bigger state that can provide those resources.
Why has Ohio State been so good for so long? Because they are located in a state with almost 12 million in population that gives them an edge and especially when it comes to NIL.
Arkansas hasn't in the past and certainly not able to outspend these programs for a reason.
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Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:35 pm to dchog
quote:We are currently spending enough to expect to be the 13th best team in the SEC. That is the hard truth some of y'all can't seem to accept.
Arkansas is spending enough to be average this year in the SEC.
We're also 3-3 in conference this year with every loss coming to teams that are vastly outspending us currently. Seems pretty average. So why is the sky falling again?
This post was edited on 11/10/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:44 pm to Drewbie
Ole Miss spent over 10mil this season, has a top coach, and still finishes the season without reaching Atlanta.
It isn't as simple as spending more and hiring a certain HC.
It isn't as simple as spending more and hiring a certain HC.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:46 pm to DaleDenton
They also just beat the hell out of Georgia and are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. 
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:46 pm to Drewbie
Bro, don't bring reason to an emotional argument.
I wish we were better and already had 7-8 wins, but what I've seen is a decent team that is much improved over last season. Would be great if we knock off Texas or Mizzou so we could finish with 7 wins, but we will get to a bowl game again and we can build off that.
To Drewbie's point, this is the best we can expect unless HY replaces Pittmamn with someone that excites the fanbase enough to pour money into NIL.
I wish we were better and already had 7-8 wins, but what I've seen is a decent team that is much improved over last season. Would be great if we knock off Texas or Mizzou so we could finish with 7 wins, but we will get to a bowl game again and we can build off that.
To Drewbie's point, this is the best we can expect unless HY replaces Pittmamn with someone that excites the fanbase enough to pour money into NIL.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 3:44 pm to DaleDenton
quote:ole miss is in the hunt and that’s all you can ask for. Georgia spends an exorbitant amount of money In football so every year they don’t win the natty it’s a complete waste of money?
Ole Miss spent over 10mil this season, has a top coach, and still finishes the season without reaching Atlanta.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 3:53 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
UGA has more resources readily available to them. They should be a powerhouse in basketball as well, but they are not.
The all or nothing straw man is great and all tho.
Oregon has a truly unlimited budget, they are in the hunt as well, but it isn't as simple as buying championships, to suggest that money is the difference is ignoring other factors.
CFB is getting to be like the NFL in regards of parody. Depth can no longer be stacked at the traditional powers like in years past as a result no truly dominate teams are going to emerge. You can go the cowboys route and outspend everyone and still not win a championship for 30 years and counting.
Just look at who bama, OM, UGA have beat and who they have lost too. Texas has had a cakewalk to their position, Aggy and LSU have also been in the hunt while droppokg games that would have been deemed unacceptable losses based on the old CFB model. Now its like the NFL, do just enough to make the playoffs and see how it shakes out from there.
The all or nothing straw man is great and all tho.
Oregon has a truly unlimited budget, they are in the hunt as well, but it isn't as simple as buying championships, to suggest that money is the difference is ignoring other factors.
CFB is getting to be like the NFL in regards of parody. Depth can no longer be stacked at the traditional powers like in years past as a result no truly dominate teams are going to emerge. You can go the cowboys route and outspend everyone and still not win a championship for 30 years and counting.
Just look at who bama, OM, UGA have beat and who they have lost too. Texas has had a cakewalk to their position, Aggy and LSU have also been in the hunt while droppokg games that would have been deemed unacceptable losses based on the old CFB model. Now its like the NFL, do just enough to make the playoffs and see how it shakes out from there.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 3:56 pm to DaleDenton
quote:I agree, and money doesn’t guarantee a championship but it can guarantee you’ll be in the hunt. And that’s all we can ask for
Now its like the NFL, do just enough to make the playoffs and see how it shakes out from there.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 3:58 pm to Drewbie
Arkansas is currently 10th in the SEC and beat Tennessee that has the top NIL collective in the SEC. They overpaid a freshman QB that plays like a true freshman and not of a seasoned QB. They still have to play an angry Georgia team on the road and a salty Vandy team on the road.
Arkansas lost the A&M game due losing the turnover margin 3 to 0. 10 penalties for 75 yards didn't help.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin to LSU 3 to 0 and 7 penalties for 78 yards.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin 2 to 0 to Ole Miss and 10 penalties for 95 yards.
Arkansas lost the A&M game due losing the turnover margin 3 to 0. 10 penalties for 75 yards didn't help.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin to LSU 3 to 0 and 7 penalties for 78 yards.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin 2 to 0 to Ole Miss and 10 penalties for 95 yards.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 4:04 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
It doesn't guarantee you'll be in the hunt, plenty examples of those out there currently who are not who have spent enough to be.
There are still factors that cannot be controlled, scheduling for example.
Give UGA, Bama, OM, Aggy, LSU, SCAR, or Tennessee Texas's schedule and they are at worst in the same position as Texas right now.
Of that list half of those teams are on Arkansas schedule. The Okie state game didn't help but LSU has an equally as bad loss with sc and are still in the hunt.
That said this years schedule still felt like a sigh of relief after basically a decade+ of being in the top 10 in sos.
There are still factors that cannot be controlled, scheduling for example.
Give UGA, Bama, OM, Aggy, LSU, SCAR, or Tennessee Texas's schedule and they are at worst in the same position as Texas right now.
Of that list half of those teams are on Arkansas schedule. The Okie state game didn't help but LSU has an equally as bad loss with sc and are still in the hunt.
That said this years schedule still felt like a sigh of relief after basically a decade+ of being in the top 10 in sos.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 4:24 pm to DaleDenton
quote:maybe not this year but when you spend like that it becomes the standard. Look at lsu, yes they are probably out of it this year, but they will still have an 8-4 or 9-3 season. And they’re pissed about that! That’s what spending money could get us.
It doesn't guarantee you'll be in the hunt, plenty examples of those out there currently who are not who have spent enough to be.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 4:26 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
People bitching about underperforming?
Arkansas has done a good job of that for 60 years.
Arkansas has done a good job of that for 60 years.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 5:02 pm to dchog
quote:Which means we're outperforming our current level of investment.
Arkansas is currently 10th in the SEC
quote:Tennessee is 8-1, tied for 1st in the SEC, and beat Alabama.
They overpaid a freshman QB that plays like a true freshman and not of a seasoned QB.
quote:We were thoroughly outplayed in both of these games. This is some serious mental gymnastics.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin to LSU 3 to 0 and 7 penalties for 78 yards.
Arkansas lost the turnover margin 2 to 0 to Ole Miss and 10 penalties for 95 yards.
A&M is the only loss you can chalk up to losing the turnover battle.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 5:12 pm to Drewbie
To bring this back to the original topic, the point is Ole Miss didn't find some secret sauce recipe for success. They ponied up the dough and are getting what they paid for.
That's it.
That's it.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:53 pm to Drewbie
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They ponied up the dough and are getting what they paid for.
Absolutely the truth. Plus you have to have a decent coach that can handle the problems that come with someone having money all of a sudden, plus manage the locker room.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:32 pm to dchog
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They overpaid a freshman QB that plays like a true freshman and not of a seasoned QB.
Sophomore
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:34 pm to Drewbie
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To bring this back to the original topic, the point is Ole Miss didn't find some secret sauce recipe for success. They ponied up the dough and are getting what they paid for.
That's it.
They bought a line this past off season after getting ran over by Georgia last year. That’s where their money went
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:35 pm to FayetteNAM
Close enough.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:36 pm to WonderWartHawg
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Absolutely the truth. Plus you have to have a decent coach that can handle the problems that come with someone having money all of a sudden, plus manage the locker room.
This comes to buying offensive and defensive lines, and not having a pussy for a coach. That’s all you can do to give yourself a shot,
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:37 pm to Drewbie
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I certainly don't think it would make things worse.
Do you honestly think we're spending enough to be competitive in this conference right now? Turn off the Pittman hate boner for two seconds and be honest.
With our current OC "Petrino" and DC "Williams" i gurandamntee that with a NIL budget like OM spent, and the upper 3-4 teams in the league, we would absolutely compete. Pittman isn't as big of an issue as some biotch about. He allows the coordinators to do almost everything in their responsibilities. He didn't hold back against Miss State. Talent is the Issue overall.
For years we have complained about not having the caoch to instill toughness, build depth, and truly coach. Those days are over. Be too tough and they hit the portal, depth= portal, coach? I think we have that with the assistants. But, whatever. We are bound to do the same things over and over..
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