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Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:28 pm
Jack Crowe
1990 - 3-8
1991 - 6-6 win over #25 Texas and close lose to #21 Ole Miss
1992 - 0-1 (was immediately fired after losing to the Citadel in the worst loss in Arkansas history)
Bret Bielema
2013 - 3-9
2014 - 7-6 win over Texas, LSU and Ole Miss
2015 - 1-1
He either wins now or I'm off the wagon. The more things change the more they stay the same. I'm referring to the conference, recruiting base, money, rivals etc., meaning, Put up or Shut up. Other coaches have done more with the same criteria. This is a business, which happens to include emotions of 3 million people involved.
1990 - 3-8
1991 - 6-6 win over #25 Texas and close lose to #21 Ole Miss
1992 - 0-1 (was immediately fired after losing to the Citadel in the worst loss in Arkansas history)
Bret Bielema
2013 - 3-9
2014 - 7-6 win over Texas, LSU and Ole Miss
2015 - 1-1
He either wins now or I'm off the wagon. The more things change the more they stay the same. I'm referring to the conference, recruiting base, money, rivals etc., meaning, Put up or Shut up. Other coaches have done more with the same criteria. This is a business, which happens to include emotions of 3 million people involved.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:35 pm to SunHog
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Other coaches have done more with the same criteria.
might I ask which coaches took over a situation similar to what Bielema took over and did better?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:38 pm to SunHog
only 1 response to your clarity
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:40 pm to SunHog
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This is a business,
Exactly why you should get on the wagon...Everybody knows the dollars involved. Not the case in 90-92. Support him or become one of those that have nothing to do but bash him on a message board.
It's that simple
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:03 pm to SunHog
Not the same situation whatsoever.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:19 pm to hawgfaninc
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This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:24 pm to hawgfaninc
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might I ask which coaches took over a situation similar to what Bielema took over and did better?
Every coach that has taken over recruited in the top 25 that initial fall. Therefore, in year three, regardless of the prior staffs leftovers, Coach B is trending as the second worst coach in Arkansas history, worst in the SEC. His career hasn't been defined yet.
I'm just stating facts. You can either ignore them or convolute them.
He can either pull a Pinkel or stay as the worst SEC coach we've ever had. We all will see this year which way we go.
Three year win record:
Ford 18
Nutt 23
Petrino 23
Coach B needs 7 wins to tie Danny Ford or he will be the worst SEC coach we've ever had in three years.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:25 pm to DC RaiseHerBack
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Not the same situation whatsoever.
Crowe was a similar situation.
Hatfield had some success and rested on his laurels, recruiting was very mediocre, but it "didn't matter" because of the flex-bone (something the fan base was tired of watching), he also refused to make much needed changes to his staff any change was always another "old pal" coming in to replace the leaving "old pal".
Crowe was hired as a desperation move by Broyles to save an semblance of a recruiting class when Hatfield left for the Clemson job, he likely knew he was soon to be fired with the roster on campus anyway.
Basically Hatfield's time here is very similar to Petrino's.
The important thing is not what Crowe did as a result, it is how attractive of a job it was after this series of events, it wasn't. Broyles ended up hiring the man Hatfield replaced after a scandal cost him his job. A few years later we were again repeating the cycle, the job was attracting good talent, but the program was in situation where the money was able to influence the hire and it did.
This led to a decade of "well it can be worse, remember that". Sure there were highs during that time, but there were also equal lows to before, but hey there are a lot of good bowl games out there.
What the programs need is stability, meaning keeping Long as AD and letting coaches have a fair shake at improving the programs to the point where a dismissal is seen as a hire just not working out, not he wasn't given a "fair" amount of time or he was doing enough to earn more time but delusion took over.
Like it or not Arkansas isn't a program that can justify replacing a coach after 3-4 years outside of a total failure of a coach on and off the field/court.
Very few program in each sport are given this benefit of the doubt when canning a coach after a brief stint, normally, off the field problems also need to be present for the replacing to be portrayed in a positive light.
Other wise you are going to see the program stuck in a huge rut of mediocre highs and lowest of lows such as Tennessee has found themselves in (and will continue to be in if Botch is fired this season) and Texas will soon find themselves in. Michigan is TBD if they are still there, but I'm not aware of any Alumni the caliber of HC as Harbaugh who would be ready and willing to come save the program.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:34 pm to SunHog
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Coach B needs 7 wins to tie Danny Ford or he will be the worst SEC coach we've ever had in three years
So the only variable is wins?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:35 pm to DaleDenton
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if Botch is fired this season
Dude's going to win 9 games this year and be fine; Oh, and his banging recruiting classes are not going to hurt his prospect for future success either.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:39 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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Oh, and his banging recruiting classes are not going to hurt his prospect for future success either.
Fulmer and Dooley had "banging recruiting classes" their final years there as well...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:39 pm to RazorbackLaw501
Recruiting...they've always recruited well and that's gotten them nowhere in say what 10-15 years
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:39 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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I give you James freakin' Franklin 2011: 6-7 2012: 9-4
Playing in the East is weak
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:42 pm to ArHog
If the coach was the deciding factor in all of this, Penn State wouldn't be losing to Temple.
Its almost like there are other variables at play that effect outcomes positively or negatively.
Its almost like there are other variables at play that effect outcomes positively or negatively.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:43 pm to DaleDenton
not when it comes to coaches and QBs
At least not with this fanbase
At least not with this fanbase
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:50 pm to lefty08
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So the only variable is wins?
Variables, some are constant other are hard or soft costs (schedule, injuries, coaches, recuriting, mental state)
The standard is 21 games won in year three between all former and current Arkansas SEC coaches.
Bret needs to win 11 games this year to meet the standard for three years in the SEC as an Arkansas head coach. It doesn't define his career however it points to where he lands on the success chart within this time period.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:50 pm to SunHog
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Every coach that has taken over recruited in the top 25 that initial fall. Therefore, in year three, regardless of the prior staffs leftovers, Coach B is trending as the second worst coach in Arkansas history, worst in the SEC. His career hasn't been defined yet.
I'm just stating facts. You can either ignore them or convolute them.
He can either pull a Pinkel or stay as the worst SEC coach we've ever had. We all will see this year which way we go.
Three year win record:
Ford 18
Nutt 23
Petrino 23
Coach B needs 7 wins to tie Danny Ford or he will be the worst SEC coach we've ever had in three years.
I would be interested in seeing how the west stacked up then vs how the west stacks up now..
Too busy to Google and find out.
I know for a fact the Saban wasn't the coach at Bama when Nutt was coaching.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:50 pm to DaleDenton
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What the programs need is stability, meaning keeping Long as AD and letting coaches have a fair shake at improving the programs to the point where a dismissal is seen as a hire just not working out, not he wasn't given a "fair" amount of time or he was doing enough to earn more time but delusion took over.
I'm fricking pissed off at Bert, but I'm still on his side and I agree with this point. Instability can kill an otherwise good program, and Tennessee and Michigan are prime examples of blue blood programs devastated by instability at head coach the last 10 years.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:53 pm to sugatowng
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Support him or become one of those that have nothing to do but bash him on a message board.
Since you put it that way...I'll bash. When I'm not supporting.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:59 pm to Feral
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I'm fricking pissed off at Bert, but I'm still on his side and I agree with this point. Instability can kill an otherwise good program, and Tennessee and Michigan are prime examples of blue blood programs devastated by instability at head coach the last 10 years.
I truly believe you are going to see Texas and possibly SC go down this path very soon.
Its knee-jerk decisions that bury a program, you have had Tennessee and Michigan trying to "keep up/ahead" of Bama and Ohio St.
UCLA and aggy success will drive Texas and SC down this path.
Arkansas has no outside force muddying their thought process and reasoning ability such as this, which should be a good thing. That is the advantage of not having a rivalry.
Yeah the loss sucked, its Tuesday, get over it.
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