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re: Is 9 wins enough next year?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:23 am to admiralduckwad
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:23 am to admiralduckwad
Ok. So if current trends continue, you can agree that he should be shown the door?
This is yr 5 after all
This is yr 5 after all
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:33 am to DocHog
that's why the title is 9 enough? i think he can get there by next year. Im curious if its just about W's for you guys that want him out or if it is more personality driven. For me, it was personality driven with Nutt. Think Miles was the same for LSU fans
However, i actually still like Bielema's character,and want him to succeed, its more about the translation to W's that i think is honestly coming.
A coach like Petrino or Gus can get you there quicker but it seems less sustainable. Id gladly take 8-9 win seasons with an occasional 10(which i honestly think Bielema is building towards) instead of hitting the reset button every 4-5 years which leads to a lot of 4-6 win seasons and the occasional 8-10.
However, i actually still like Bielema's character,and want him to succeed, its more about the translation to W's that i think is honestly coming.
A coach like Petrino or Gus can get you there quicker but it seems less sustainable. Id gladly take 8-9 win seasons with an occasional 10(which i honestly think Bielema is building towards) instead of hitting the reset button every 4-5 years which leads to a lot of 4-6 win seasons and the occasional 8-10.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:26 am to admiralduckwad
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A coach like Petrino or Gus can get you there quicker but it seems less sustainable. Id gladly take 8-9 win seasons with an occasional 10(which i honestly think Bielema is building towards) instead of hitting the reset button every 4-5 years which leads to a lot of 4-6 win seasons and the occasional 8-10.
What is Bielema building towards?
In year 5, our offensive line consists of a blueshirt walk on and a converted defensive lineman. We completely changed our defensive philosophy on the front seven because of personnel concerns. We have freshman walk-ons providing depth at linebacker. We have true freshmen all over the depth chart on both sides of the ball. We have no kicker, and our special teams are somehow still extraordinarily bad. We had to completely overhaul our strength and conditioning program because our players couldn't finish games.
I like Bert and want him to succeed here, but I keep seeing this claim that he's building something with little to no evidence to back it up.
Additionally, Bert hasn't shown me that he can even take advantage of a good team once he's built it and actually manufacture wins. His best team lost to Toledo and Texas Tech and won 7 regular season games.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:55 am to Feral
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Feral
Excellent post
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:29 pm to Feral
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What is Bielema building towards?
In year 5, our offensive line consists of a blueshirt walk on and a converted defensive lineman. We completely changed our defensive philosophy on the front seven because of personnel concerns. We have freshman walk-ons providing depth at linebacker. We have true freshmen all over the depth chart on both sides of the ball. We have no kicker, and our special teams are somehow still extraordinarily bad. We had to completely overhaul our strength and conditioning program because our players couldn't finish games.
I like Bert and want him to succeed here, but I keep seeing this claim that he's building something with little to no evidence to back it up.
Additionally, Bert hasn't shown me that he can even take advantage of a good team once he's built it and actually manufacture wins. His best team lost to Toledo and Texas Tech and won 7 regular season games.
It's infuriating that the "OL guru" is trotting this out there in year five, and that as many different combinations as we've used that our highly touted OL that we have landed factor in to almost zero of them. All of these four stars like Zach Rogers, Jake Heinrich, Jalen Merrick, and Brian Wallace are not good enough to beat out Ty Clary, Hjalte Froholdt, Johnny Gibson, and Colton Jackson? Occasionally, there will be busts, but it's an indictment upon the player development of this staff (that, once again, touts itself as "the best O-Line producers evar") that our prospects apparently bust so frequently. Player development is crucial to building at a program like Arkansas that doesn't sign top ten classes. This staff is bad at it.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:46 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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It's infuriating that the "OL guru" is trotting this out there in year five, and that as many different combinations as we've used that our highly touted OL that we have landed factor in to almost zero of them. All of these four stars like Zach Rogers, Jake Heinrich, Jalen Merrick, and Brian Wallace are not good enough to beat out Ty Clary, Hjalte Froholdt, Johnny Gibson, and Colton Jackson? Occasionally, there will be busts, but it's an indictment upon the player development of this staff (that, once again, touts itself as "the best O-Line producers evar") that our prospects apparently bust so frequently. Player development is crucial to building at a program like Arkansas that doesn't sign top ten classes. This staff is bad at it.
That's probably the most deeply concerning part of it.
One or two busts in a position group is normal. However, this staff hasn't hit on an offensive lineman since Ragnow, who's a senior. That speaks volumes about our inability to develop players on the offensive line, especially when we're having to turn to blueshirts and defensive linemen to fill out our starting rotation.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:11 pm to Feral
As I've said before... There's no amount of wins.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:14 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Player development is crucial to building at a program like Arkansas that doesn't sign top ten classes. This staff is bad at it.
Extremely bad at it, thus the shitty performance on game day.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:28 am to ArHog
Like 10 months ago all of you were spewing garbage about his player development ability blah blah blah. Not wasting my time looking it up, but the writing was on the wall when he lost/let partridge go. That guy was the key loss.
He was a bad fit here from the get go, refusing to adjust to the SEC and its style and refusing to surround himself with talented staff members that have connections to fertile recruiting grounds in the area.
He was a bad fit here from the get go, refusing to adjust to the SEC and its style and refusing to surround himself with talented staff members that have connections to fertile recruiting grounds in the area.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:53 am to STLhog
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Like 10 months ago all of you were spewing garbage about his player development ability blah blah blah. Not wasting my time looking it up, but the writing was on the wall when he lost/let partridge go. That guy was the key loss.
Partridge was a big loss, but I'd argue that losing Pittman (and then replacing him with Anderson) was what hurt us the most. Our offensive line has been a mess since he left.
That people so virulently defended the Anderson hire, even though this offseason, is baffling to me.
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He was a bad fit here from the get go, refusing to adjust to the SEC and its style and refusing to surround himself with talented staff members that have connections to fertile recruiting grounds in the area.
This is probably what doomed Bert the most. We had guys like Partridge and Pittman and replaced them with guys like Anderson and Segrest, who can neither coach nor recruit.
Our strength and conditioning program is evidence enough of the fact that he profoundly underestimated the SEC in terms of style and speed of play. The fact that it took him four years to understand that speed matters in this conference and then attempt to course correct, and that we had to completely overhaul our S&C approach, is indicative of how clueless these guys are.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:04 am to Feral
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I like Bert and want him to succeed here, but I keep seeing this claim that he's building something with little to no evidence to back it up.
i threw some numbers together in a separate thread just now
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