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Posted on 4/3/15 at 3:55 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
Posted on 4/3/15 at 3:55 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
I can see both sides.
On one hand, why would someone willingly choose to be gay when they know the backlash they will probably receive from a lot of people?
On the other hand, scientifically why would it make sense for a person to be wired to like another person of the same sex when they are unable to procreate and advance the species?
On one hand, why would someone willingly choose to be gay when they know the backlash they will probably receive from a lot of people?
On the other hand, scientifically why would it make sense for a person to be wired to like another person of the same sex when they are unable to procreate and advance the species?
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Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:01 pm to gohogs141
Adam and Even
Not adam and steve
go forth and multiply
not go forth and occupy
etal....
nature/nurture?
I know of two homosexuals, both were molested at a young age. I know of another homosexual female who became one after being dumped at the alter by not one, but two men in her time....
Odd to consider isn't it?
One thing is for sure, nice to be able to discusss without being labeled...
There are two women that are awesome human beings whom I just don't understand the decision to be that way. Or the science that makes them that way. They both believe in God and worship Him however still live in the fashion that they do ... And get this. THEY are both much more conservative on other issues than I am. Ironic in the least.
Not adam and steve
go forth and multiply
not go forth and occupy
etal....
nature/nurture?
I know of two homosexuals, both were molested at a young age. I know of another homosexual female who became one after being dumped at the alter by not one, but two men in her time....
Odd to consider isn't it?
One thing is for sure, nice to be able to discusss without being labeled...
There are two women that are awesome human beings whom I just don't understand the decision to be that way. Or the science that makes them that way. They both believe in God and worship Him however still live in the fashion that they do ... And get this. THEY are both much more conservative on other issues than I am. Ironic in the least.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:02 pm to gohogs141
quote:
On the other hand, scientifically why would it make sense for a person to be wired to like another person of the same sex when they are unable to procreate and advance the species?
Are you serious right now?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:04 pm to gohogs141
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On the other hand, scientifically why would it make sense for a person to be wired to like another person of the same sex when they are unable to procreate and advance the species?
Because no complete human genealogical sequence is the same and many elements of the "survival of the fittest" paradigm have substantially shifted due to the advancement of technology in society?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:39 pm to The Program
quote:So you conveniently ignored the fact that businesses give certain classes of people, but not others, discounts on a regular basis. Would you like to address that?
So a straight male has to pay full price? Intersting
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:41 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:I know many homosexual people who were never molested. I know a few straight people who were molested.
Adam and Even
Not adam and steve
go forth and multiply
not go forth and occupy
etal....
nature/nurture?
I know of two homosexuals, both were molested at a young age. I know of another homosexual female who became one after being dumped at the alter by not one, but two men in her time....
Odd to consider isn't it?
One thing is for sure, nice to be able to discusss without being labeled...
There are two women that are awesome human beings whom I just don't understand the decision to be that way. Or the science that makes them that way. They both believe in God and worship Him however still live in the fashion that they do ... And get this. THEY are both much more conservative on other issues than I am. Ironic in the least.
Anecdotes are crap, unless you're looking to justify your preconceived notions, in which case they're awesome. I guess that, from your perspective, they're awesome.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 4:55 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
Ah, I see that some have come out of the anti-gay closet to support this.
The bill that was signed was not the bill that we were discussing. It was the bill that we had to redo on the fly to not seem like complete and utter jackoffs. Unless you are celebrating "Yay we looked like 'tards to the entire country on a useless piece of a legislation" all this bill did was give the state a black eye.
The Fayetteville ordinance that seems to have a few folks' panties in a wad specifically did not include religious institutions. Going on and on about how it was some sort of assault on religion is embarrassing. Please, don't do that to yourself. Have some dignity.
There are some of you that clearly feel very "threatened" by any sort of LGBT presence. You might even say you have a bit of "panic" about it. Calm down. Relax.
Just because you see, for example, two lesbians holding hands it doesn't mean that gayness will suddenly leap upon you and force you to wear arseless leather chaps and dress up like one of the Village People.
Relax. If someone is gay it isn't the end of the world. It isn't contagious. You won't start listening to Judy Garland records if you happen to shake hands with someone who is LGBT. Well unless you were already a Judy Garland fan.
As to the death threats and so on... folks if you go on national media and say anything you'll get death threats. You could talk about how much you like puppies, rainbows, and good pizza... and some moron will make a death threat against you. I think whoever did it should get a visit from the police... but that is part of going national with your opinion about anything unfortunately.
Honestly we get it, you don't like homosexuals. You have the right to not like homosexuals. You don't have the right to discriminate against them though.
The bill that was signed was not the bill that we were discussing. It was the bill that we had to redo on the fly to not seem like complete and utter jackoffs. Unless you are celebrating "Yay we looked like 'tards to the entire country on a useless piece of a legislation" all this bill did was give the state a black eye.
The Fayetteville ordinance that seems to have a few folks' panties in a wad specifically did not include religious institutions. Going on and on about how it was some sort of assault on religion is embarrassing. Please, don't do that to yourself. Have some dignity.
There are some of you that clearly feel very "threatened" by any sort of LGBT presence. You might even say you have a bit of "panic" about it. Calm down. Relax.
Just because you see, for example, two lesbians holding hands it doesn't mean that gayness will suddenly leap upon you and force you to wear arseless leather chaps and dress up like one of the Village People.
Relax. If someone is gay it isn't the end of the world. It isn't contagious. You won't start listening to Judy Garland records if you happen to shake hands with someone who is LGBT. Well unless you were already a Judy Garland fan.
As to the death threats and so on... folks if you go on national media and say anything you'll get death threats. You could talk about how much you like puppies, rainbows, and good pizza... and some moron will make a death threat against you. I think whoever did it should get a visit from the police... but that is part of going national with your opinion about anything unfortunately.
Honestly we get it, you don't like homosexuals. You have the right to not like homosexuals. You don't have the right to discriminate against them though.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 5:46 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:
I know of two homosexuals, both were molested at a young age. I know of another homosexual female who became one after being dumped at the alter by not one, but two men in her time....
Odd to consider isn't it?
Are you shitting me
quote:
There are two women that are awesome human beings whom I just don't understand the decision to be that way. Or the science that makes them that way. They both believe in God and worship Him however still live in the fashion that they do ... And get this. THEY are both much more conservative on other issues than I am. Ironic in the least.
Almost like its genetic
Posted on 4/3/15 at 5:50 pm to Arksulli
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Relax. If someone is gay it isn't the end of the world. It isn't contagious. You won't start listening to Judy Garland records if you happen to shake hands with someone who is LGBT. Well unless you were already a Judy Garland fan.
Cher on the other hand... Sulli- you're awesome, I can only dream of one day being as level headed as you
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 5:51 pm to Razorback Reverend
Posted on 4/3/15 at 6:42 pm to FleaMarketBill
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 7:11 pm to Arksulli
Did you mean to respond to me?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:09 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
I will respond to everyone...
I don't "hate" anyone... Gays, Straights, rainbow farting gypsies, nobody. But I do cringe at the thought of a church or religious body losing its ability to be considered a religious entity because of turning down the request to perform a marriage of a homosexual, or straight person. I have a right to say no for whatever reason I desire. If it violates my conscience, NO!
as for if it is genetics, or nature, or nurture. I follow the bible on such teachings as per my choice rather than somebody else. when in Scripture it says it is unnatural to give in to lusts between to like gendered individuals. I believe it to be so.
Just as it is also wrong, evil, sin to commit adultery against your spouse, or be a liar, cheat, swindler, glutton, etc.
We can philosophize all we want, and it wont change one Homosexual or one who believes it is against God to be so. But this thread is simply amazing period.
I don't "hate" anyone... Gays, Straights, rainbow farting gypsies, nobody. But I do cringe at the thought of a church or religious body losing its ability to be considered a religious entity because of turning down the request to perform a marriage of a homosexual, or straight person. I have a right to say no for whatever reason I desire. If it violates my conscience, NO!
as for if it is genetics, or nature, or nurture. I follow the bible on such teachings as per my choice rather than somebody else. when in Scripture it says it is unnatural to give in to lusts between to like gendered individuals. I believe it to be so.
Just as it is also wrong, evil, sin to commit adultery against your spouse, or be a liar, cheat, swindler, glutton, etc.
We can philosophize all we want, and it wont change one Homosexual or one who believes it is against God to be so. But this thread is simply amazing period.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:26 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:That's not happening and no one is asking for that. I honestly have no clue why you keep saying that.
I don't "hate" anyone... Gays, Straights, rainbow farting gypsies, nobody. But I do cringe at the thought of a church or religious body losing its ability to be considered a religious entity because of turning down the request to perform a marriage of a homosexual, or straight person.
edit: with that said, if such a thing were ever proposed, it should be staunchly opposed. A private religious institution should always be free to practice without interference, within reason (no child sacrifices or whatever), and they should not be compelled by the government to engage in practices that are contrary to the institution's principles. (it bears repeating, the Fayetteville ordinance explicitly exempted religious institutions)
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:10 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
So you conveniently ignored the fact that businesses give certain classes of people, but not others, discounts on a regular basis. Would you like to address that?
So poor to middle class straight males pay full price. Gotcha...
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:01 pm to The Program
quote:
So poor to middle class straight males pay full price. Gotcha...
If you want to trade station in life with minorities, I'm sure they'll be glad to.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 1:34 am to Razorback Reverend
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Or the science
You could stop right here as even if you did understand the current scientific evidence on the matter, you would just ignore it just like all other science that explains the way of the universe in ways other than Gaaaaaaaaaaaahd.
If you really want to know, the current evidence and theory suggest the sexual preference of an individual first develops during the pregnancy. Statistically, the most likely homosexual males are the first born male to a first time mother, science on the matter suggests it has to do with an imbalance, or high, level of estrogen, levels well outside the norm compared to later pregnancies.
Since, I'm sure, you believe life starts at conception, you must then believe what science is backing up, they are Gay because God made them that way.
This post was edited on 4/4/15 at 1:37 am
Posted on 4/4/15 at 6:26 am to The Program
quote:At this point, we're not even talking about LGBT rights. We're talking about an entirely different matter.
So poor to middle class straight males pay full price. Gotcha...
In your opinion, should all discounts that apply to only one class become illegal? So no more discounts for children, students, seniors, veterans, etc.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 8:45 am to Hog on the Hill
I think everyone can argue until they're blue in the face on this subject, but all for naught.
I've never turned away gay or lesbian customers, but our services offered have never included catering to large events.
I consider myself a Christian God fearing man.
I certainly understand the gay and lesbian community's stance on wanting to be recognized in some capacity, as a legal couple. If one passes away, they certainly have a claim at receiving any benefits, etc. that a normal, man and woman married couple would receive as well.
I understand why a bakery, restaurants, etc. who are owned by Christians would decline to take part or be affiliated with a same sex marriage. It's against their religious beliefs. It's also my opinion that a Muslim or whatever religion owner of a biz, has the right to turn away a Christian, because of their beliefs.
I without a doubt, believe that my God is real. I beleive that He gave his only son to die for my sins. I'll tell you that. I though, will not force you to go to church, nor will I hate you because you don't go to church. I will not sue you nor threaten legal action against you simply because you do not follow in my footsteps of life. I only expect the same in return.
I've never turned away gay or lesbian customers, but our services offered have never included catering to large events.
I consider myself a Christian God fearing man.
I certainly understand the gay and lesbian community's stance on wanting to be recognized in some capacity, as a legal couple. If one passes away, they certainly have a claim at receiving any benefits, etc. that a normal, man and woman married couple would receive as well.
I understand why a bakery, restaurants, etc. who are owned by Christians would decline to take part or be affiliated with a same sex marriage. It's against their religious beliefs. It's also my opinion that a Muslim or whatever religion owner of a biz, has the right to turn away a Christian, because of their beliefs.
I without a doubt, believe that my God is real. I beleive that He gave his only son to die for my sins. I'll tell you that. I though, will not force you to go to church, nor will I hate you because you don't go to church. I will not sue you nor threaten legal action against you simply because you do not follow in my footsteps of life. I only expect the same in return.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:43 am to Hawgeye
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I understand why a bakery, restaurants, etc. who are owned by Christians would decline to take part or be affiliated with a same sex marriage. It's against their religious beliefs.
"Christian" businesses used the same excuse during the civil rights era to deny service to blacks. Said it was against their religion.
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