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Here is my understanding of how we've gotten here
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:15 am
Talking with a lot of friends and putting together information from others boards.
Keep in mind I'm not preaching it as gospel but it "feels" correct in my personal opinion. Again, opinion*.
HY tagged Lane as his guy from the get go. Conversations started happening immediately after Chaggit was fired. Interest was mutual and a deal was close to being made. Apparently Waldrip on the BOT stepped in and told Hunter to vet other candidates. At this time, we had the leverage to do so and we interviewed guys like Fuente and Campbell. Then the Ole Miss job opened up and Kiffin/his people said you know what? I'm going to shop if you're going to shop.
The Campbell/Fuente type interviews either didn't come with the money they were both looking for or both of them were flat out not interested. At that time Ole Miss played Kiffin as their number 1 and offered him more than we were initially offering or willing to pay him. This combined with their overall situation and general willingness to "do what it takes" to win probably sealed the deal for Kiffin.
We were then stuck with Pittman or Drink. Based on the timeline its clear we sealed it up with Pittman and as that was being announced, Drink was being finalized at Mizzou.
Norvell was never truly in play, in typical Hog fashion, we dropped the ball with him in 2017. He's onto bigger and better things with FSU.
Just my take but I'm glad we wound up with Pittman vs Drink. Lot's of App State fans don't like him and the guy inherited a 10 win Sun Belt machine to which he didn't recruit hardly anyone onto the roster this year.
Who knows how things pan out, we are who we are and it appears Pittman is the best we could have done all things considered.
Keep in mind I'm not preaching it as gospel but it "feels" correct in my personal opinion. Again, opinion*.
HY tagged Lane as his guy from the get go. Conversations started happening immediately after Chaggit was fired. Interest was mutual and a deal was close to being made. Apparently Waldrip on the BOT stepped in and told Hunter to vet other candidates. At this time, we had the leverage to do so and we interviewed guys like Fuente and Campbell. Then the Ole Miss job opened up and Kiffin/his people said you know what? I'm going to shop if you're going to shop.
The Campbell/Fuente type interviews either didn't come with the money they were both looking for or both of them were flat out not interested. At that time Ole Miss played Kiffin as their number 1 and offered him more than we were initially offering or willing to pay him. This combined with their overall situation and general willingness to "do what it takes" to win probably sealed the deal for Kiffin.
We were then stuck with Pittman or Drink. Based on the timeline its clear we sealed it up with Pittman and as that was being announced, Drink was being finalized at Mizzou.
Norvell was never truly in play, in typical Hog fashion, we dropped the ball with him in 2017. He's onto bigger and better things with FSU.
Just my take but I'm glad we wound up with Pittman vs Drink. Lot's of App State fans don't like him and the guy inherited a 10 win Sun Belt machine to which he didn't recruit hardly anyone onto the roster this year.
Who knows how things pan out, we are who we are and it appears Pittman is the best we could have done all things considered.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:17 am to STLhog
Wrong we all know that Yurachek doesn't miss when he aims his gun.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:24 am to STLhog
Sure seems like we went the cheap route and hired a guy that nobody else wanted.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:25 am to FayetteNAM
Apparently it's a squirt gun.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:26 am to Poker_hog
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Sure seems like we went the cheap route and hired a guy that nobody else wanted.
Agreed, with the Bert cash outlay and whatever we owe Morris, truly appears we weren't willing to pay the big bucks.
Kind of crazy that they seemed to be offering less to Kiffin on the near side than Chaggit was getting paid. I heard it was pretty backloaded/performance incentive based but that doesn't usually pay off in this ridiculous open market.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:47 am to STLhog
I love those who say we went the cheap route.
Who would you prefer we throw money at to get them to risk their coaching career on this rebuild?
Briles will never coach in college football again so you might as well forget that. They guy covered up his players raping women. He’s done.
Freeze likely has one shot left and he wasn’t going to risk it on us.
Not many wanted this job. An established coach or one who had some upside isn’t risking their future for Arkansas. Bazzell said Drink even turned us down.
Two years ago we could have thrown money at the problem. We also could have had Norvell two years ago. We all know the epic screw up our administration made.
Who would you prefer we throw money at to get them to risk their coaching career on this rebuild?
Briles will never coach in college football again so you might as well forget that. They guy covered up his players raping women. He’s done.
Freeze likely has one shot left and he wasn’t going to risk it on us.
Not many wanted this job. An established coach or one who had some upside isn’t risking their future for Arkansas. Bazzell said Drink even turned us down.
Two years ago we could have thrown money at the problem. We also could have had Norvell two years ago. We all know the epic screw up our administration made.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:50 am to beebefootballfan
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I love those who say we went the cheap route.
We offered Kiffin less than OM? Not sure what your point is here.
My post directly states OM is a better situation than here and said nothing about Briles or Freeze.
I guess I have no idea who you're responding to.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:53 am to beebefootballfan
HY may have missed, but the BOT and boosters should give him their full support. They made this search even more embarrassing than the last one, all bc they want to meddle as always. Just let the AD get the guy he truly wants and you support him. He's the one risking his career on this hire, not them.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:56 am to STLhog
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We offered Kiffin less than OM?
More like Ole Miss offered more than us. Downside of having your offer already on the table is they know what beats it. For whatever reason, there’s a few being floated, we didn’t counter.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:58 am to TheCheshireHog
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For whatever reason, there’s a few being floated, we didn’t counter.
What are they beyond we weren't willing to pay it?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:00 am to STLhog
I’ve seen Hunter was pissed that he backed out on his agreement and was done with it and I’ve seen that Kiffin’s side said no thanks to a counter because it was a back loaded incentive based contract and/or because it had a beefed up morality clause.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:03 am to STLhog
Sorry was responding to Porker not you. Hit the wrong message.
I think a lot of fans have an over inflated view of our program right now.
I think a lot of fans have an over inflated view of our program right now.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:06 am to beebefootballfan
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I think a lot of fans have an over inflated view of our program right now.
No doubt. Reality is real.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:08 am to STLhog
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Who knows how things pan out, we are who we are and it appears Pittman is the best we could have done all things considered.
This is really the gist of it.
We just weren't an attractive job at all and haven't been for a while. I'm not a Yurachek apologist, but when you get down to it, he was trying to sell chicken shite as chicken salad. Whether he got played or too sour at Sexton's games, who knows.
What I know is this:
- We're 1-23 in our last 24 conference games. - We haven't been to a bowl game in the Trump presidency.
- We haven't had more than 7 regular season wins since 2011.
- We hired a three time Big Ten champion coach in this decade and he flamed out spectacularly.
- We just fired a coach less than 2 seasons in.
Rightly or wrongly, there are a ton of negative perceptions of our job right now. This isn't 2007 when we were coming off a two year stretch with 18 wins and a West title, and this definitely isn't 2012 when we were a season removed from a two year stretch of 21 wins and top 10 finishes.
Like Biddy said, we ran into a lot of closed doors during this search, which is understandable. If we were on plan N, I'd honestly rather roll with a guy like Pittman who desperately wants the job and a chance to prove himself than throw money at another unproven G5 guy with Gus ties like Drinkwitz, who also wanted buyout protections and reportedly wasn't that interested in a rebuilding job. If someone isn't really interested, throwing even more money at them doesn't exactly solve the problem.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:11 am to TheCheshireHog
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I’ve seen Hunter was pissed that he backed out on his agreement and was done with it and I’ve seen that Kiffin’s side said no thanks to a counter because it was a back loaded incentive based contract and/or because it had a beefed up morality clause.
This is why we have to be careful with coming to conclusions based on our assumptions. It will be awhile before we know the whole story if ever.
Bottom line is whether it was Hunter's fault for missing on Kiffin or not, the coaching search will be defined on how Sam does.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:25 am to beebefootballfan
Situation blah blah.
Money talks. Everyone has a price. We just weren't willing to shell out the money. Bottom line.
Money talks. Everyone has a price. We just weren't willing to shell out the money. Bottom line.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 11:05 am to boogiewoogie1978
Per my Memphis sauce Chris Vernon apparently said our interview with Norvell went as badly as it could possibly go.
Norvell very salty about being offered the job in and was ready to tell his team in 2017 and then booom. We announce Chaggit.
Anyone else heard anything along these lines?
Norvell very salty about being offered the job in and was ready to tell his team in 2017 and then booom. We announce Chaggit.
Anyone else heard anything along these lines?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 11:08 am to STLhog
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Norvell very salty about being offered the job in and was ready to tell his team in 2017 and then booom. We announce Chaggit.
Anyone else heard anything along these lines?
Thanks, Jerrah.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 11:10 am to Numberwang
For the record, fully open to the idea that Drink turned us down as well.
Just find it hard to believe we'd offer him over Pittman head to head but the floor is endlessly low for us at this point.
Just find it hard to believe we'd offer him over Pittman head to head but the floor is endlessly low for us at this point.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 11:32 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Money talks. Everyone has a price. We just weren't willing to shell out the money. Bottom line.
Money talks to you and Me. It doesn't talk to a guy with kiffen money. you understand he only works cause he wants to right? if he didn't want to he could have retired by now making as many millions as he does a year. so yes money is epxected to be there but I seriously doubt any of these guys are making decisions entirely based on a 5-10% contract difference between schools.
things that a coach must consider when moving schools:
1. family needs- if his wife is miserable he will be miserable so probably not gonna happen if the family wants no part of it.
2. Boss- Having an AD coaches want to work for is a big deal. it's important we keep hiring well at AD to get good coaches. letting the GOBN put a figurehead in ends our entire Athletic department.
3.Job Needs and capabilities- does the job and place open match my skillset to deliver good results is something they should all all look at.
None of that really gets money involved and all are more important to a coach long term than money. Notice the last few searches we've been talking budgets for assistant coaches while the caoching salaries are all in the same range. The quality of life differences between 3.5 and 4 million in a year are not very drastic or even noticable potentially.
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