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Posted on 8/20/25 at 12:33 pm to CFB_Fanatic
Posted on 8/20/25 at 12:33 pm to CFB_Fanatic
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He’s going to retire regardless of how the season goes. Just too much pressure from the fans for a change
Had he retired after last year, he would be looked at fondly as a guy who wanted it to work but just couldn’t do it. If he fails at this season he will be looked as a guy who divided the fan base and couldn’t get it done. The Houston Nutt path.
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Posted on 8/20/25 at 1:01 pm to FayetteNAM
In the 10 years of Houston Nutt we had 6 years of 8 or more wins, 8 bowl appearances, 3 times won the division, and only had two losing seasons. I miss that level of success.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:46 pm to FayetteNAM
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No it doesn’t. If that splash hire can’t get us going it will be the death knell for the program.
Mullen would have been fine a few years ago before NIL.
In the current year, Mullen couldn't do diddly poo at Arkansas. NIL is all that matters now.
If Gruden wouldn't be enough of a defibrillator to stimulate more NIL funds - then the program is already dead. We are just living a Weekend at Bernie's sequel.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 4:36 pm to hogansas
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In the 10 years of Houston Nutt we had 6 years of 8 or more wins, 8 bowl appearances, 3 times won the division, and only had two losing seasons. I miss that level of success.
The two losing seasons he had back to back should've cost him his job, not counting all the other BS.
It won't surprise me one damn bit if he's hired as the new AD.
This post was edited on 8/20/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/20/25 at 5:19 pm to hogansas
It’s come and gone
Posted on 8/20/25 at 5:28 pm to FayetteNAM
Outside of not winning enough I do not understand the vitriol towards Pittman.
He hasn't been playing highschool games pitting the locker room against itself.
He hasn't been caught banging someone other than his wife.
He hasn't let his mouth be the story around the program.
He's consistently had the team achieve what he was hired to do, be bowl eligible. Wanting more is fine, but you have to have an at worst equal results HC lined up instead of a "looks good on paper" chaggy 2.0.
A disaster of a hire would end the program, revenue sharing won't mean shite when you have Crowe/Ford levels of attendance a interest in the program.
He hasn't been playing highschool games pitting the locker room against itself.
He hasn't been caught banging someone other than his wife.
He hasn't let his mouth be the story around the program.
He's consistently had the team achieve what he was hired to do, be bowl eligible. Wanting more is fine, but you have to have an at worst equal results HC lined up instead of a "looks good on paper" chaggy 2.0.
A disaster of a hire would end the program, revenue sharing won't mean shite when you have Crowe/Ford levels of attendance a interest in the program.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:10 pm to DaleDenton
It's just not good enough. In 5 years he has a program with no culture ( other than transferring out of the program)
No identity ( other than flat undisciplined play)
Recruiting has dropped to lows never seen before.
Add all of that and you have a HC with a 30-31 record thats been surpassed by 14 of 16 conference opponents.
No identity ( other than flat undisciplined play)
Recruiting has dropped to lows never seen before.
Add all of that and you have a HC with a 30-31 record thats been surpassed by 14 of 16 conference opponents.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 9:07 pm to HAWGWALLOP
No where did I say what he has done is good enough.
It was good enough for Hunter to lock him into a contract that put the university into an impossible situation to get out financially. At that point it's not about wins, losses, or how the game was played, and that is of not fault for Pittman. He didn't offer himself this contract for being competent compared to chaggy over a two year span.
There will be a day where HY tries to spin this contract as being in the University's best interest while the previous two buyouts were being paid off instead of adding a third. We will be told to ignore the money paid combined with the money owed at that time.
Here is what is important, firing chaggy had to be done, someone can post the pic of HY with his scared shitless look outside the locker room after the WKU game. He can say it was unexpected and he was not prepared to make a hire, but everyone knew of not after that season it would be after the next chaggy would be fired, so he should have been preparing for the inevitable. At the end of the day after an exhaustingly embarrassing coaching search the best HY could do was Sam Pittman. I'm not sure why anyone would think HY would do a better job this time around.
Now you may come back with but he hired Muss and he hired Cal. This would in fact not be true, both of these coaches were not going to happen until the boosters made it happen. Muss had to be brought to the attention of HY and then a meeting arranged for HY. The coaching search that led to Cal was so bad Hog+ has had several programs filmed kissing Tysons arse because the HY hire was going to be Pel level bad.
Pittman isn't the only problem, neither is NIL or revenue sharing, none of this is going to change as long as the person responsible for the leadership that put the program into the current position for all three is continuing to make these decisions for the program.
For the majority of Arkansas fans to also be Dallas cowboys fans, you would think the can see the issues for both teams stem from the c suites within the organizations. Both always have a scapegoat for their failures.
It was good enough for Hunter to lock him into a contract that put the university into an impossible situation to get out financially. At that point it's not about wins, losses, or how the game was played, and that is of not fault for Pittman. He didn't offer himself this contract for being competent compared to chaggy over a two year span.
There will be a day where HY tries to spin this contract as being in the University's best interest while the previous two buyouts were being paid off instead of adding a third. We will be told to ignore the money paid combined with the money owed at that time.
Here is what is important, firing chaggy had to be done, someone can post the pic of HY with his scared shitless look outside the locker room after the WKU game. He can say it was unexpected and he was not prepared to make a hire, but everyone knew of not after that season it would be after the next chaggy would be fired, so he should have been preparing for the inevitable. At the end of the day after an exhaustingly embarrassing coaching search the best HY could do was Sam Pittman. I'm not sure why anyone would think HY would do a better job this time around.
Now you may come back with but he hired Muss and he hired Cal. This would in fact not be true, both of these coaches were not going to happen until the boosters made it happen. Muss had to be brought to the attention of HY and then a meeting arranged for HY. The coaching search that led to Cal was so bad Hog+ has had several programs filmed kissing Tysons arse because the HY hire was going to be Pel level bad.
Pittman isn't the only problem, neither is NIL or revenue sharing, none of this is going to change as long as the person responsible for the leadership that put the program into the current position for all three is continuing to make these decisions for the program.
For the majority of Arkansas fans to also be Dallas cowboys fans, you would think the can see the issues for both teams stem from the c suites within the organizations. Both always have a scapegoat for their failures.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 9:20 pm to DaleDenton
Agreed the problem goes far beyond Sam and even farther than HY. This doesn't mean Sam is not a problem
Posted on 8/21/25 at 7:49 am to hogansas
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In the 10 years of Houston Nutt we had 6 years of 8 or more wins, 8 bowl appearances, 3 times won the division, and only had two losing seasons. I miss that level of success.
Same. But the SEC today is a very different critter to what the SEC was when Nutt was doing his thing. I think it's much, much more difficult to sustain success in the modern environment.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:18 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Mullen would have been fine a few years ago before NIL.
In the current year, Mullen couldn't do diddly poo at Arkansas. NIL is all that matters now.
I disagree, he did more while refusing to do the hardcore recruiting it took at Florida. With NIL and a good GM, he wouldn’t have to do that, just coach. It would be far easier for him.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:20 am to ArHog
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It won't surprise me one damn bit if he's hired as the new AD.
I’ve said for years, he shouldn’t be the AD, but Pittman and Nutt should be in a glad handing position, just straight fund raiser. They go around doing golf tournaments, holding camps, shaking babies and kissing hands.
No one dislikes either of them as a person legitimately. They dislike their ability to get things done on the field. People disliked Morris as a person and a coach.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:24 am to DaleDenton
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Outside of not winning enough I do not understand the vitriol towards Pittman.
I agree. Good guy, not a head coach.
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He's consistently had the team achieve what he was hired to do, be bowl eligible. Wanting more is fine, but you have to have an at worst equal results HC lined up instead of a "looks good on paper" chaggy 2.0.
I agree, you would need a deal pretty much signed. It can’t be Odom, Loggains, etc… those aren’t needle moving coaches.
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A disaster of a hire would end the program, revenue sharing won't mean shite when you have Crowe/Ford levels of attendance a interest in the program.
I don’t think you live in Fayetteville, the level of apathy we have currently is palpable. Not one person is talking about football.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 8:36 am to FayetteNAM
quote:That's where the rubber meats the road.
With NIL and a good GM, he wouldn’t have to do that, just coach
Is Dan Mullen enough of a jolt to cause fans/donors to increase NIL contributions substantially? I don't believe so. It would be an improvement over the current situation, but not enough to compete in the SEC. Even if he had world's greatest GM, that GM can only do so much with a half empty wallet.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:50 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
What about drinkwitz?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 12:35 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Is Dan Mullen enough of a jolt to cause fans/donors to increase NIL contributions substantially?
No coach outside of Saban will give us the jolt we need without wins. Too much money has been misspent. Sam extension, KJ Jefferson receiving any money, etc
Posted on 8/21/25 at 2:02 pm to FayetteNAM
I would have backed up a brinks trunk for KJ following his '22 and' 23 seasons. Dude was a monster.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 2:22 pm to FayetteNAM
quote:An out-of-nowhere hire, like a UNC / Belichick type deal, would provide a similar jolt, in my opinion. I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to make that bet.
No coach outside of Saban will give us the jolt we need without wins.
quote:KJ holding so many of our records is an indictment of how bad it really has been for us.
Too much money has been misspent. Sam extension, KJ Jefferson receiving any money, etc
I miss the old days when you could buy a Cam Newton for $144,000.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:26 pm to FayetteNAM
No one talking about it is different than the no one showing up back in the early 90s.
The tickets are still being sold, revenue is still being generated. Which is good due to the bind HY put the program in with this contract.
The tickets are still being sold, revenue is still being generated. Which is good due to the bind HY put the program in with this contract.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:30 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Until there is a draft and nonopt out contracts recruiting abilities will still be important. Even if you have an unlimited budget, guys are going to still play elsewhere for equal or less money for a variety of reasons.
This is not really any different than free agency in prosports, the difference is the teams do not have the advantage of drafting who they want from what's available for the rookie contract.
This is not really any different than free agency in prosports, the difference is the teams do not have the advantage of drafting who they want from what's available for the rookie contract.
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