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Great read about the last 3 head coaches (recruiting analysis)
Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:54 pm
long but informative
What I got out of it: Bert is doing better than anyone before him.
The sec recruits so much better today that Bert averages 10th in the league where as Bobby was like 8.8 while averaging worse classes than Bert.
Also arkansas has produced almost 30 less p5 athletes now than during nutts last 5 years. 20 less than during Bobby's 5 years. Bret hasn't had a single big instate class yet. Been very tough on him.
What I got out of it: Bert is doing better than anyone before him.
The sec recruits so much better today that Bert averages 10th in the league where as Bobby was like 8.8 while averaging worse classes than Bert.
Also arkansas has produced almost 30 less p5 athletes now than during nutts last 5 years. 20 less than during Bobby's 5 years. Bret hasn't had a single big instate class yet. Been very tough on him.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 7:04 pm
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 6:58 pm to russellvillehog
I've always thought Bret was a better recruiter than nutt and petrino. I just think his game day coaching is questionable at times and his player development/ off season work can be called into question which I think is fair.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:13 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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petrino
Never was, is, or will be a great recruiter. He just squeezes every ounce of talent out of his players.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:16 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
HDN actually ended up with some very solid defensive recruits. Some of the best we've ever had.
He just struggled with QBs.
He just struggled with QBs.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:20 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Most of whom fell into his lap. He still hasn't recruited nationally as well as beilama
Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Nutt had pro's on defense during his years. We haven't had a 1st or 2nd round pick since his tenure. Jake Bequette is the only 3rd round defensive draft pick and he didn't stick.
3rd - DE Jake Bequette (2012)
4th - DE Trey Flowers (2015); DE Deatrich Wise (2017)
5th - DE Chris Smith (2014); LB Martrell Spaight (2015)
6th - DT Darius Philon (2015); CB Tevin Mitchel (2015); DE Jeremiah Ledbetter (2017)
Would've been gone sooner without Matt Jones.
3rd - DE Jake Bequette (2012)
4th - DE Trey Flowers (2015); DE Deatrich Wise (2017)
5th - DE Chris Smith (2014); LB Martrell Spaight (2015)
6th - DT Darius Philon (2015); CB Tevin Mitchel (2015); DE Jeremiah Ledbetter (2017)
Would've been gone sooner without Matt Jones.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:16 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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Never was, is, or will be a great recruiter
I seem to remember him recruiting a 15th or so ranked class his second year, which is the highest I've ever seen Arkansas recruit. I know one of his classes was terrible (like 40 or something), but the rest ranked in the top 25. Bert seems to hover around 25-30ish every year.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:23 pm to hogSS
I'm pretty sure Petrino signed a stupid amount of players for that #15 class. Could be wrong, but I seem to remember a very large class.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:38 pm to hogSS
It was on Rivals. Signed 31 players for the #16 class.
Rivals 09 Recruiting Class
As timing goes he could not have walked into a better situation with the 08 instate class and then followed it up with that massive 09 class.
The final classes of Petrino were full of major busts. Including the Sugar bowl appearance were we did nothing with that momentum.
Rivals 09 Recruiting Class
As timing goes he could not have walked into a better situation with the 08 instate class and then followed it up with that massive 09 class.
The final classes of Petrino were full of major busts. Including the Sugar bowl appearance were we did nothing with that momentum.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:50 pm to RazorHawg
The majority of those 4 stars didn't do a damn thing. That class was hyper inflated. Some of those players were hits and did big things. The majority of those names I don't even recognize.
Shameful people constantly pointing back to that class and it being a total failure. Robert Thomas, knile davis, Travis swanson, cobi Hamilton are basically the only real starters out of that class.
Shameful people constantly pointing back to that class and it being a total failure. Robert Thomas, knile davis, Travis swanson, cobi Hamilton are basically the only real starters out of that class.
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:27 pm to russellvillehog
Bielema has been our coach during the biggest talent drought in the state since we joined the SEC. I think that has more of an effect than people want to admit.
Hell, we haven't even had talent that left for other programs that didn't absolutely suck.
Hell, we haven't even had talent that left for other programs that didn't absolutely suck.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:32 pm to russellvillehog
I remember Alan turners 2 star arse was a baller tho. Although succesptible tongue pass at times
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:37 pm to Killean
ArFCA Arkansas @ArFCAArkansas
The State of Arkansas produces more Division 1 football players than any State in America Per Capita. Well done players and coaches!!
Another reason BS like this tweet shouldn't be tolerated.
Demographics hurt us but academics are a major burden with so many.
Guys like Monta Thomas who could make the grades in HS.
The State of Arkansas produces more Division 1 football players than any State in America Per Capita. Well done players and coaches!!
Another reason BS like this tweet shouldn't be tolerated.
Demographics hurt us but academics are a major burden with so many.
Guys like Monta Thomas who could make the grades in HS.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:01 am to russellvillehog
It makes sense now that somebody has pointed out that Arkansas has produced less power 5 talent lately. Bert has way more competition regionally than his predecessors for sure. Interesting article.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:08 am to JCdawg
I think recruiting is gonna get alot easier now with what's going on in oxford
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:13 am to hogSS
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I seem to remember him recruiting a 15th or so ranked class his second year, which is the highest I've ever seen Arkansas recruit. I know one of his classes was terrible (like 40 or something), but the rest ranked in the top 25. Bert seems to hover around 25-30ish every year.
That 2010 class was pretty good on paper on NSD but had an insanely high washout/bust rate. A few years ago I went back and totalled up the number of players who either didn't make it to campus or lasted less than 18 months.
Can't remember the number offhand but it was an unsustainable turnover rate that ended up biting us in 2012 and 2013.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 10:23 am to russellvillehog
Based on Rivals rankings. I'm sure I'm leaving out some, but roughly this is how our depth chart looks based on recruiting. Pretty solid for Arkansas standards. We are just missing that 1 standout player we are all spoiled to having (Jones, DMAC...)
Offense
Quarterback
Austin Allen, senior 3 star
Ty Storey, sophomore OR 4 star
Cole Kelley, RS freshman 3 star
Running back
Devwah Whaley, sophomore 4 star
T.J. Hammonds, sophomore 4 star
Maleek Williams freshman 3 star
Fullback
Hayden Johnson, sophomore OR 3star
Kendrick Jackson, junior 3 star
Wide receiver
Jared Cornelius, senior 3 star
Jonathan Nance, junior* 3 star
Deon Stewart, sophomore 3 star
Brandon Martin, junior* 4 star (#2 JUCO player)
Jordan Jones, RS freshman 3 star
La’Michael Pettway, sophomore 3 star
Tight end
Austin Cantrell, sophomore 3 star
Jeremy Patton, junior* 4 star
Grayson Gunter, sophomore 3 star
Cheyenne O’Grady, sophomore 4 star
Left tackle
Brian Wallace, junior 4 star
Paul Ramirez, senior 3 star
Left guard
Hjalte Froholdt, junior 4 star
Jalen Merrick, sophomore 4 star
Center
Frank Ragnow, senior 3 star
Zach Rogers, junior 3 star
Right guard
Johnny Gibson, junior walk on
Jake Raulerson, senior 4 star
Right tackle
Colton Jackson, sophomore 3 star
Dalton Wagner, freshman* 3 star
Defense
Defensive end
Karl Roesler, senior 2 star
Jonathan Marshall, RS freshman 3 star
Nose tackle
Bijhon Jackson, senior 4 star
Austin Capps, sophomore 3 star
Defensive tackle
Sosa Agim, sophomore 4 star
Briston Guidry, RS freshman 4 star
Outside linebacker
Randy Ramsey, junior 3 star
Alexy Jean-Baptiste, RS freshman 3 star
Inside linebacker
Dre Greenlaw, junior 3 star
Giovanni LaFrance, RS freshman 3 star
Inside linebacker
De’Jon Harris, sophomore 3 star
Dwayne Eugene, senior 3 star
Outside linebacker
Michael Taylor, junior JUCO unsure rank
Kyrei Fisher, freshman* 3 star
Nickelback
Kevin Richardson II, junior walk on
Montaric Brown, freshman* 4 star
Cornerback
Ryan Pulley, junior 3 stars
Britto Tutt, sophomore 3 stars
Free safety
Josh Liddell, senior 2 stars
Micahh Smith, RS freshman 2 stars
Strong safety
Santos Ramirez, junior OR 3 stars
De’Andre Coley, senior 2 stars
Cornerback
Henre’ Toliver, senior 3 star
Chevin Calloway, freshman* 4 star
Offense
Quarterback
Austin Allen, senior 3 star
Ty Storey, sophomore OR 4 star
Cole Kelley, RS freshman 3 star
Running back
Devwah Whaley, sophomore 4 star
T.J. Hammonds, sophomore 4 star
Maleek Williams freshman 3 star
Fullback
Hayden Johnson, sophomore OR 3star
Kendrick Jackson, junior 3 star
Wide receiver
Jared Cornelius, senior 3 star
Jonathan Nance, junior* 3 star
Deon Stewart, sophomore 3 star
Brandon Martin, junior* 4 star (#2 JUCO player)
Jordan Jones, RS freshman 3 star
La’Michael Pettway, sophomore 3 star
Tight end
Austin Cantrell, sophomore 3 star
Jeremy Patton, junior* 4 star
Grayson Gunter, sophomore 3 star
Cheyenne O’Grady, sophomore 4 star
Left tackle
Brian Wallace, junior 4 star
Paul Ramirez, senior 3 star
Left guard
Hjalte Froholdt, junior 4 star
Jalen Merrick, sophomore 4 star
Center
Frank Ragnow, senior 3 star
Zach Rogers, junior 3 star
Right guard
Johnny Gibson, junior walk on
Jake Raulerson, senior 4 star
Right tackle
Colton Jackson, sophomore 3 star
Dalton Wagner, freshman* 3 star
Defense
Defensive end
Karl Roesler, senior 2 star
Jonathan Marshall, RS freshman 3 star
Nose tackle
Bijhon Jackson, senior 4 star
Austin Capps, sophomore 3 star
Defensive tackle
Sosa Agim, sophomore 4 star
Briston Guidry, RS freshman 4 star
Outside linebacker
Randy Ramsey, junior 3 star
Alexy Jean-Baptiste, RS freshman 3 star
Inside linebacker
Dre Greenlaw, junior 3 star
Giovanni LaFrance, RS freshman 3 star
Inside linebacker
De’Jon Harris, sophomore 3 star
Dwayne Eugene, senior 3 star
Outside linebacker
Michael Taylor, junior JUCO unsure rank
Kyrei Fisher, freshman* 3 star
Nickelback
Kevin Richardson II, junior walk on
Montaric Brown, freshman* 4 star
Cornerback
Ryan Pulley, junior 3 stars
Britto Tutt, sophomore 3 stars
Free safety
Josh Liddell, senior 2 stars
Micahh Smith, RS freshman 2 stars
Strong safety
Santos Ramirez, junior OR 3 stars
De’Andre Coley, senior 2 stars
Cornerback
Henre’ Toliver, senior 3 star
Chevin Calloway, freshman* 4 star
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:43 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:
Alan Turner
quote:
baller
pick one
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:45 am to Porcine Human
He wasn't bad against the run
Posted on 7/29/17 at 11:50 am to Columbia
That depth chart is from what? It's changed a lot since that one was released.
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