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Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:57 am to
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:57 am to
It could just be that Ole Miss is a much better team right now than Stanford, not necessarily anything we did differently. The guy they started last night has arguably been the best pitcher in the country over the last month.

I was mad at first that we didn't start McEntire last night too but they hit literally everyone else from our bullpen so unless he pitched a complete game it was going to be the same result regardless. At least we were able to save him for today.
Posted by admiralduckwad
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:12 am to
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We played smart and played small ball the first two innings and scored 1 and 2 runs, respectively. Then Ole Miss gets up 6-3 and suddenly we’re back to swinging for the fences, hacking at low and away junk, striking out from the knees, and doing the same bullshite that had us traveling for the regionals and supers as opposed to hosting.



there was a notable shift in the teams attitude when Ole Miss went up 6-3. Pitching decisions would indicate that is the moment we accepted the loss and would save arms for the loser bracket. DVH even said post game them going up 6-3 was when he felt all the momentum shift. impossible to know now whether we could have changed the outcome by throwing tygert, smith, noland, whoever at that point, but he accepted the loss when OM went up 6-3.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:59 am to
DVH didn't have much confidence winning this game because Ole Miss had a lot of momentum going for them. So he had a wait and see approach with starting Morris because I believe that no matter who the pitcher was, Ole Miss was going to smash them. So he certainly could have thrown Smith in but I think he was waiting on the bats to come alive and they never did. It would be wasteful if you are throwing all your pitching trailing by 3 or 4 when the bats were cold.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 11:05 am
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:09 am to
Stanford was a paper tiger that started a bunch of right handed pitching. Feast time.

Ole Miss has a bunch of left handed pitchers then you combine that with Bianco has been coaching for his job this year and the hate that Ole Miss brought to the game yesterday and maybe the result was a little more understandable.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:25 am to
After making the CWS, they have secured those jobs for another year like Houston Dale Nutt.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 1:29 pm to
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After making the CWS, they have secured those jobs for another year like Houston Dale Nutt.

I called that play.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 1:59 pm to
I called that job security brotha!!
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 2:18 pm to
I'm not sure why it's always one extreme or the other with DVH.

Not counting the 2020 season that got canceled early, he's coached 19 years here. At seven CWS appearances, he gets us to Omaha at a rate of slightly better than once every three years. You can't realistically ask for much better than that. I see him as the baseball Mark Richt, but I personally think it's stupid to take someone winning at a high cut and tell them to kick rocks because you got entitled and uppity. This is what keeps happening to Tennessee, Texas, Miami, and Nebraska football. It's what happened to OUR football when we told Ken Hatfield 9/10 a year wasn't good enough.

On the other hand, three other active coaches in the SEC have NCs to their names and a fourth one just retired last year. I saw someone a couple of months ago compare the situation to when Duke fans would bitch about Coach K. I don't know why it has to be so polarizing. I'm satisfied with his performance here and I think he's earned the right to name his own retirement. That said, he's usually never a top three coach in the conference and I wouldn't be too sad to see him hang it up at this point. I can be grateful and also open to the change because I recognize he's probably just not going to get the job done here. I'm still happy to have a coach who takes us deep into the tourney fairly often.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 2:54 pm to
I just hope that the next coach we hire is a little better and will at least give us one natty. That's all in the hell I want. Just one.

DVH has laid a hellacious foundation and made us one of the elites. I doubt he'll ever win the big one, but we are still uber successful because of him.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 5:09 pm to
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just hope that the next coach we hire is a little better and will at least give us one natty. That's all in the hell I want. Just one.


Or we hire the next Chris bucknam of baseball
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:32 pm to
For every Kirby there is more likely a Stan Heath…
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:56 pm to
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Or we hire the next Chris bucknam of baseball


Just ask South Carolina fans.

They had June Raines and Ray Tanner, and they’ve been nowhere near the level of success they had under those two since Tanner retired.
Posted by Hogssmellgood
Hog in Vol land
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:14 pm to
Part of that is Ray Tanner’s fault considering he is the one who hired his successor.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:41 pm to
If you are Jeff Long then yes.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:43 pm to
Have the right AD in place and that wouldn't be a problem.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 5:23 am to
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Have the right AD in place and that wouldn't be a problem.


Everyone says that but the truth is, it’s a crap shoot.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:26 am to
It isn't a crap shoot when one of the top Jobs becomes vacant and you have a better choice of candidates than when DVH got here and that wasn't a good job at that time. DVH spent almost half of his time here building the program because it didn't offer much. Now you put in a bit of competence from a good AD then you are in good shape.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:53 am to
Other candidates with superior resumes wanted that job. But Long didn't care because it was track and thus was rewarded with a mediocre hire.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:08 am to
If it wasn't about age and his length of time here then it wouldn't be much of a discussion.

No coach can stay at any place forever and after 20 years, plans for what he wants to do here become a discussion for fans. Now in his early 60s, I'm sure he knows what his goals are. He is probably not going to stay at his job at 80 years of age.

The good thing about DVH is that he did well here to avoid being even close to a hot or warm seat. Bianco spending over 20 years at Ole Miss with only two CWS appearances did this year. I don't see how Ole Miss fans could tolerate Bianco for that many years. I guess Arkansas fans has higher expectations than them.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7651 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:47 am to
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Other candidates with superior resumes wanted that job.


Prior experience or resume doesn't seem to matter sometimes though when changing jobs. Bielema had a much stronger resume than Pittman when we hired them. One is working out, the other didn't.

There's no such thing as a guaranteed slam dunk.
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