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Did firing Odom get us here

Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:10 pm
Was he the glue that Pittman needed?

Seems like shite went downhill after Odom was fired and Enos was hired.

I know TWill's defense has been better, with the exception of yesterday's arse whipping.

Just seems to me that Odom, being an ex HC helped Pittman more than it hurt the program.

Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:14 pm to
Yes.

Odom is doing well at UNLV.

If the program wanted to support Pittman they could have made available the money to get better OC and DC than Enos and Twill.

I like his defense up to last night, but if they were serious about giving Pitt what he needs to succeed, you could get a guy like Chizik who knows the SEC and has experience being a HC.

Or you could get similar on the OC side.

But Arkansas takes in all the money they can while paying out as little as they can.

It's not about winning or having a winning program, it's about having a highly profitable program.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:19 pm to
We just going to ignore Odom sucking all the dicks last year as DC? The dude wanted to be a HC again and checked out. He left at the first real opportunity to do so.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:25 pm to
This has nothing to do with his experience as a HC to help Sam confide in someone about HC stuff.

Twill has no experience, Enos left being a HC to be bert's OC which tells you all you need to know about his decision making ability.

Odom was more valuable off the field than on for Pitt.

Other schools will pay non field coaches for this experience and mentoring. Mizzou hired Jones from Greenwood to help drink in learning to be a HC and run a program.

Arkansas will gladly ask you to help raise a 100k, but won't spend the 100k for support staff in this regard. Or hell 20k to an intern to run Pitts twitter account.

It isn't like olden times where one man can do it all.
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:28 pm to
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We just going to ignore Odom sucking all the dicks last year as DC?


I addressed that issue in the OP for fricks sake.


I was just pointing out that I think he helped Pittman when help was needed.

Sheesh

Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:31 pm to
I wasn't saying Odom was a bad coach, just that he was checked out last year and it was time for both sides to move on.

Pittman being a poor head coach got us here. Everything else that happened is a result of that on some level. Keeping Odom would have only delayed this result.

He got us in a much better spot but it's all wasted if we don't move on right now. Time to let Gus use us again then go hire and "Arkansas guy" who will run us back into the gutter.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 3:38 pm to
If you are Hunter and Pittman or Muss or DVH are you man for the program.

You hire whomever or what ever he needs to be successful.

Saban is the highest paid hc and has like 500 off the field assistants to do whatever he feels he needs them to do.

It isn't Sam is a piss poor HC or that he is not, it is the University and Yuracheck to don't provide the support needed to be successful.

They are quick to ask for your money but slow to keep up with what the rest of the league is going within their programs. NIL being the latest change to fight.

Pittman is the scape goat, chaggy was the scape goat, the next HC will be the scape goat.

Arkansas has a fundamental problem and it starts at the top which is way higher than the HC of the team.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:10 pm to
If Sam is so incompetent he essentially has his DC coaching ho's entire team and making all the decisions, then there is absolutely no reasom why s Pittman should have ever been a head coach.
Posted by VagueMessage
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:43 pm to
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It's not about winning or having a winning program, it's about having a highly profitable program.


I could not agree more.
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Arkansas has a fundamental problem and it starts at the top which is way higher than the HC of the team.


Posted by Porker Face
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:55 pm to
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It isn't Sam is a piss poor HC or that he is not, it is the University and Yuracheck to don't provide the support needed to be successful.

They are quick to ask for your money but slow to keep up with what the rest of the league is going within their programs. NIL being the latest change to fight.


What exactly are HY or UA to do about NIL that they aren't doing?
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 4:57 pm to
Embrace it instead of fighting it.

You must not have checked your email.
Posted by JohnnyBob
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:04 pm to
I do think it’s a big factor.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:17 pm to
They want us to write Congress
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:32 pm to
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Embrace it instead of fighting it.

You must not have checked your email.




So tired of reading this complete falsehood being bandied about. HY is not "fighting against NIL" like you keep spouting, and I've already corrected you once but here goes the full story for anyone willing to read:

Hunter Yurachek is one of about a dozen SEC athletic directors and head coaches - including Nick Saban and SEC Commissioner himself Greg Sankey - that have formed a group going to Washington to talk to lawmakers about regulating NIL in college athletics. Up to this point it has been entirely unregulated since it's inception a couple years ago (think Texas aTm signing HS players to ludicrous contracts before they've ever even played a down).

The groups entire point is that A) high school players that have never played a down of college football should not make more money than veterans on the team - and B) it should not be more lucrative for certain players to stay in college over trying to reach the next level. In particular, B is happening all over the country and it's not good for the individual football programs, NCAA football, or the NFL.

We have a perfect example on our roster right this moment - KJ Jefferson. I have no doubt that if Pittman were to still be here next year, KJ would too with his final year out of 6 YEARS of eligibility. He might still hang around even if Pittman is gone, simply because he's making more money here than he would at the next level. These SEC members are arguing that this is not how it should work.

The dozen SEC members talking to Congress want to regulate NIL and put caps on the amount an individual player can make per season, whereas no caps exist now.

Let's use KJ for an example. Right now it's been said he makes about $1 million per year in NIL deals, BY FAR more than anyone else on our roster and a huge chunk percentage-wise of our total NIL available money. He's already signed these deals and presumably they'd be available to him next year if/when he comes back as well.

Well, let's say NIL is finally regulated and the maximum amount any individual player can make is $250,000 per season. First of all, this gives a much bigger incentive to try your hardest to make it to the next level. Second, whereas ONE KJ Jefferson was making $1 mil per year, we can now sign 4 different top players to max deals - 4 top players we want to retain from entering the portal or entice to come here. Is ONE KJ Jefferson worth 4 top players when we have a capable younger player right behind him?

It's bad for the program and bad for the sport. It's bad for the younger players that deserve their opportunity to make NIL deals as well. You could have one KJ here for his 3rd year of taking up a large chunk of the NIL money, or you could have 4 top players with max NIL deals in his place. He isn't worth that, and it hurts players like Criswell and Singleton as well.

We, as Arkansas fans, should WANT NIL regulated as much or more than anyone. How many times has it been said amongst us and all over the SEC boards that "NIL is ruining college football"?

Now you have about a dozen SEC bigwigs stepping up to fix it, including our very own AD Yurachek, and all you hear is this stupid shite from Arkansas fans "Hunter is fighting against NIL hurrrdurrrr! He doesn't have what it takes to be a big-time football AD hurrr!"

Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42351 posts
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:46 pm to
Saban wants it regulated as it offsets bamas inherent advantages or in other words levels the recruiting field.

Saban was against the HUNH until he started to use it, then all the safety concernes disappeared.

Saban was the first to exploit and abuse the unlimited number of off the field staff that could be employed.

Arkansas has no vested interest in the NFL's interest.

Jerry Jones doesn't draft Arkansas players and the Walton's contribute little to nothing to the athletic programs.

HY is taking the stance because money is going to the players that he sees as should be given to the athletic department to mismanaged instead.
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

HY is taking the stance because money is going to the players that he sees as should be given to the athletic department to mismanaged instead.


Exactly.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:56 am to
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HY is taking the stance because money is going to the players that he sees as should be given to the athletic department to mismanaged instead.




Do you actually have evidence for this, or is this another old school DaleDenton constant negativity opinion?

How do you explain Greg Sankey himself pushing for these same regulations? He wouldn't want to do anything that would hurt his conference over a competing conference. Same with the dozen or so other SEC members that are in the same group with HY.

We have one of the best ADs in the country and somehow we continue to have fans that complain. I'm convinced we have a segment of our fanbase that'll never be happy with anything and will always find something or someone to complain and bitch about
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