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re: DC - waiting for what now... NFL?

Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:07 pm to
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:07 pm to
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Bro give him a chance. We've been clamoring as a fan base for coaches with long term SEC experience.


It's certainly not up to me to give him a chance. Morris either hires him or not, he won't be asking for my opinion. I guess the whole thing does rub me the wrong way if it's Chavis. From being bullshitted by the brand new coach, to people acting like he's the best we could hope for. The fact is that there are no fewer than 60 DC's who fielded a better defense than Chavis this year. You can't tell me not a single one of them would take a million or more from Arkansas to run the defense.
Posted by RunningBlake
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:21 pm to
I agree witch ya. If Morris is going to say that he's going to hire a DC with as much energy as him, then that damn sure ain't John Chavis.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:30 pm to
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I'd just as soon have the most successful DII DC as Chavis.


frick our fans are dumb



I'm not sure why this is such a laughable thought. Mike Gundy, a coach we've pined for during consecutive coaching searches, hired his OC from Shippenburg. The OC has been very successful. There are great coaches at lower levels who just need their break. If we were to go that route, the potential DC would come with a lower price tag and a need to prove themselves rather than resting on their laurels. It may not be a big name that would get everyone excited, but going that route could turn out alright. It's just about finding the right up and comer.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:35 pm to
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its probably Chavis.

he's a surprisingly controversial choice to the fanbase.



I'm not going to make predictions about his success because I have no idea if it will work out, but he's a controversial choice because he fielded poor defenses when he was paired with a spread offensive philosophy at A&M. His age and reputation for being a substandard recruiter are also factoring into the controversy.

Again, I'm not saying he won't work out. Everyone laughed when Auburn hired Kevin Steele, and Kevin Steele's defense just got Gus Malzahn a 7 mil per year contract.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:39 pm to
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I'm not sure why this is such a laughable thought.


Taking some D2 coach over a guy with Chavis' resume would be a classic Arkansas move given our track record with hiring coaches, so you're right the idea probably isn't that laughable

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Mike Gundy, a coach we've pined for during consecutive coaching searches, hired his OC from Shippenburg. The OC has been very successfu


A lot of their fans don't like Yurcich actually.

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There are great coaches at lower levels who just need their break


That's fine. I don't want us to be their proving ground though, considering getting a guy who's never coached D1 football is extremely risky, no matter how much success they had. Also, we'd never hire a D2 DC to be our DC. They'd be a position coach at the most.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:46 pm to
I read that story about Gundy. The thing that struck me was the guy saying if he could do nothing else, he was going to absolutely work his arse off for Gundy, because Gundy believed in him enough to give him a shot, and changed his life in the process.

Chavis hasn't had a feeling like that about anyone in decades, if ever.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:52 pm to
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Taking some D2 coach over a guy with Chavis' resume would be a classic Arkansas move given our track record with hiring coaches, so you're right the idea probably isn't that laughable



Bert had a great resume too. Sometimes the "fit" is more important than the resume. A&M is on his resume too and A&M had a very similar offensive philosophy as the one Chad Morris wants to implement.

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A lot of their fans don't like Yurcich actually


Whoopedy doo. They had one of the best offenses in the country. Hell the A&M and LSU fans don't like John Chavis if that's your argument

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That's fine. I don't want us to be their proving ground though, considering getting a guy who's never coached D1 football is extremely risky, no matter how much success they had. Also, we'd never hire a D2 DC to be our DC. They'd be a position coach at the most.


A perennial 9 or 10 win team can do it, but by golly 4-8 Arkansas is too good for that shite. Seriously, if D2 is your hang up, then why not a good G5 coordinator?


Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:56 pm to
I'm done talking about this. If you think we should hire a D2 coordinator over Chavis, you're a fricking idiot. Nothing more to say really.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:00 pm to
"in and working" for Arkansas....

At what exactly?
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:01 pm to
Ok I'm sorry you're unable to cope with people disagreeing with you.

BTW, I never said "we should do this," but I defended the notion. It's not the indefensible, ridiculous one you seem to think it is. Personally, I would prefer a G5 coordinator or a position coach from a more prominent P5 program than a D2 coordinator.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 7:05 pm
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:05 pm to
Could some of y'all high rollers help out Hogville and update their board, especially the posting format?

Back to the topic....

I'm not against Chavis. I just think there is someone out there that would be a better fit.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:48 pm to
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A perennial 9 or 10 win team can do it


they've been good recently but let's not forget this is Oklahoma State were talking about.

you're also talking about an established head coach with an offensive mind hiring a d2 guy for his offense.

we aren't talking about a relatively career wise young head coach who is hiring someone to run the other side of the ball from what he specializes in.

situation is totally different and not really comparable.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:02 pm to
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they've been good recently but let's not forget this is Oklahoma State were talking about.


Oklahoma State is much more relevant to the casual college football fan than Arkansas is. If you asked 100 random fans with no connection to either program which one is the better program, I'd wager almost all of them wouldn't hesitate to select Oklahoma State.

Fair enough on your second point. Here's a more comparable scenario albeit not a perfect comparison either. Mike Leach is an offensive minded HC. His DC that everyone is now drooling over was the safeties coach at Missouri before Leach hired him to run the defense.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:43 pm to
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"in and working" for Arkansas....

At what exactly?



I don't know...... but it sounds borderline erotic
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13323 posts
Posted on 1/3/18 at 7:38 am to
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quote: "in and working" for Arkansas.... At what exactly?

I don't know...... but it sounds borderline erotic



If true, it sounds to me like there are enough people on the hill who know it's a shitty hire that makes our new coach look like a bullshite artist who makes shite up because that's what he wants to be true, so we're going to put out little nugs that it's a done deal so we don't have a Schiano/Tennessee situation to deal with.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:06 am to
According to a current copy of Chavis' contract obtained through an open records request, the university extended Chavis through Dec. 31, 2018. Before the agreement between both sides was approved on Aug. 24, Chavis' deal was set to expire at the end of this calendar year.

A&M exercised its option to extend Chavis for an additional year. The school is set to pay him $1.6 million in 2018, matching the amount he was set to earn this season. The extension was first reported by USA Today.

It's unclear if Chavis will still be the Aggies' defensive coordinator following the recent coaching change. Former coach Kevin Sumlin was fired after the regular season and replaced by Jimbo Fisher, who was officially hired on Dec. 4.

The one-year deal wasn't the only amendment to Chavis' previous contract.

The Aggies also modified other sections of the contract to prepare for a potential departure before the deal expires.

The new agreement goes into further detail regarding a "for cause" termination, in which A&M will no longer be on the hook for the remainder of Chavis' earnings. It also elaborates on what happens if A&M fires Chavis without cause.

Under those circumstances, the defensive coordinator is still required to look for another job to offsets the remaining amount of the contract that A&M owes him. However, the new deal specifically states Chavis has agreed to make "reasonable and diligent efforts to obtain employment with compensation at market value."

A&M also has the right to request evidence of Chavis' efforts to find another job, a stipulation that was mentioned in the original deal. Mediation to any potential disputes between both sides regarding a future buyout was also added.

Chavis and LSU engaged in litigation after he left after the 2014 season following a six-year stint as the Tigers' defensive coordinator. According to the Baton Rouge Advocate, both sides likely reached a settlement regarding Chavis' buyout, which resulted in the case's dismissal in September.

According to USA Today, Chavis is the third highest-paid assistant in the country, trailing only LSU's Dave Aranda and Clemson's Brent Venables. The Aggies are ranked 81st nationally and ninth in the SEC in scoring defense (28.7).

So, Chavis is under contract through December 2018. "In and working" for Arkansas is either bullshite, or a "with cause" firing offense. I guess aTm isn't required to fire him. They could continue to pay him while he works for Arkansas, but I highly doubt that's happening.
Posted by WaveHog
Austin, TX
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:44 am to
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So, Chavis is under contract through December 2018. "In and working" for Arkansas is either bullshite, or a "with cause" firing offense. I guess aTm isn't required to fire him. They could continue to pay him while he works for Arkansas, but I highly doubt that's happening.


part of the controversy around chavis's transition from LSU to aTm, and i'm sure part of the lawsuit, was that chavis recruited for aTm while still officially being on the LSU payroll.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:09 am to
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part of the controversy around chavis's transition from LSU to aTm, and i'm sure part of the lawsuit, was that chavis recruited for aTm while still officially being on the LSU payroll.


Sounds like the kind of guy we want, don't it? Chavis just checks every box for me. I sure hope the million dollar working retirement some here want to pay him is just that. I'd hate to listen to the bitching and outrage from those same folks when he is recruiting for Ole Miss or the next sucker, while still getting paid by Arkansas.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:12 am to
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I'd hate to listen to the bitching and outrage from those same folks when he is recruiting for Ole Miss or the next sucker, while still getting paid by Arkansas.


But I thought Chavis didn’t recruit?
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