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BadPiggy
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Everyone keeps thinking this is binary. You die or 100% fine. That is not the case at all. Forgetting the long hospital stays that are common. Something like 20% show signs of cardiac damage, 10% cognitive issues, 10% lung scarring, and the list goes on.... Many that survive will have long term medical issues as a result. What the actual percentages will be, and actual severity will be can not be known at this point, but it's not looking good as of now.


SmackoverHawg
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The vast majority have NO symptoms and no long term issues.


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ETA: hopefully, I didn't jinx it.
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BadPiggy
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Actually those that have no symptoms are still showing signs of cardiac damage at a later time. This may be an increase of enzymes in the blood that indicate damage with no other outward signs, but we don't know if that is something that will become much worst over time. Lungs also often show damage and scarring in those that had no symtoms, with again unknown long term issues. The vast majority statement is false. Current data suggests that about 40% show no or very light symptoms that are ignored or attributed to something else. Whatever you want to believe, we are approaching 140,000 US citizens dead, and an unknown number that will have varying long term medical issues. I never would have believed that so many people would think so many American lives would be be held in so little respect and regard.


Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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About school openings

Meta-analysis of studies from multiple Asian and European countries:
Role of children in the transmission of the COVID-19 pandemic: a rapid scoping review
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Studies analysing school transmission showed children as not a driver of transmission.


Study from France:
School Children Don’t Spread Coronavirus, French Study Shows
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Scientists at Institut Pasteur studied 1,340 people in Crepy-en-Valois, a town northeast of Paris that suffered an outbreak in February and March, including 510 students from six primary schools. They found three probable cases among kids that didn’t lead to more infections among other pupils or teachers.


Study from Finland and Sweden:
Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland and Sweden
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In the contact tracings in primary schools in Finland, there has been hardly any evidence of children infecting other persons. The Swedish comparison of number of reported cases among staff in day care and primary school to number of cases in other professions does not show any increased risk for teachers.


Denmark opened schools right after they peaked:


I have been sending my kids to daycare every single day during this and so have thousands of others in NWA since this started. I have been asking the managers regularly about cases among daycares in the area. They have told me of less than 5 cases among daycare workers in NWA, which got their infections from their families at home, not from the daycare kids.

Frankly, the science is clear. Children are rarely, if ever, infecting adults.


oklahogjr
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its hard to cite how it worked in other countries when the US is doing so much worse with disease at every level than them.






Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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its hard to cite how it worked in other countries when the US is doing so much worse with disease at every level than them.
I keep being told how "horribly" Sweden handled the disease, but as mentioned in the study above their daycare and school teachers did not experience a higher than normal infection rate than other workers. Sweden never closed its elementary and middle schools throughout their epidemic.

Regardless, the above studies are simply about child to adult infection and how rare it is. There is nothing magical about the European and Asian children in the studies.
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SmackoverHawg
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The fact that hospitals and have financial incentives based to the number of COVID cases has a little something to do with our numbers. And the death numbers are outrageously exaggerated. Now that we are seeing upwards of 90% or more of those testing positive (now that we are doing tens of thousands of test on asymptomatic people at their request or asymptomatic contacts, we are seeing numbers rise). Initially we could only test those with symptoms or confirmed close contacts, we do a a large number of tests and have to review many more. Of the more than 200 positives I have had to review/follow firsthand. Not a single one has had more than mild cold symptoms. Another this contributing to the rise in cases is that some places are checking "PANSARS", that's all the other viruses in the coronavirus family and NOT COVID 19. These include the common cold. Quest starting doing these in our area about a week before the surge. They are being counted as COVID. Lots of frickery going on and our governor and Dr. Nate Smith seem to be oblivious. I can also say conclusively that we had it in Union County in early January thanks to antibody testing (which are also being counted as NEW cases). So we are at least 7-8 months into this. People that get repeat testing and continue to test positive have each additional positive test counted as new ones as do those with positive swabs that recovered and had their antibodies test postive (they are counted twice). Even ones that have IgM and IgG both positive may be getting counted as two seperate cases. So a person who tested postive then had antibody test may be counted as three new cases. Someone that's had numerous postive swabs will all be counted as separate cases. I deal with this shite everyday. I have passed info directly to those in charge of making these decisions and have had no response or acknowledgement of the problems or if they were being addressed.

It's all about federal dollars for the hospitals, especially Baptist. More cases, more money.


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SmackoverHawg
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The vast majority statement is false. Current data suggests that about 40% show no or very light symptoms that are ignored or attributed to something else. Whatever you want to believe, we are approaching 140,000 US citizens dead, and an unknown number that will have varying long ter

Even the CDC admits that death numbers are inflated. Part of the problem is that with so many games being played with the numbers, no one can say what the real numbers are. And I know I can't extrapolate what I see across the nation, but I've talked with numerous other people in direct patient care both inpatient and outpt that see the same thing. People with only inpatient contact will obviously have a different experience that those seeing outpatient or both. They have no clue about the vast number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patients, because they never see them. I'm not saying it doesn't cause some of the issues you mention, but I think it's being grossly exaggerated. Time will tell.


BadPiggy
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Actually the death numbers are under reported. The number of deaths as recorded through burials, are far in excess of what would be typical. So if in July there average is 10,000 deaths (total made up number), and therefore number of burials/cremations are 10,000. Instead the numbers are more like 12,500 (made up number for illustration), and you can account for 1,000 of those for Covid, then you are drastically under counting Covid deaths. Some of those are probable not Covid, but a large number of them will be, and this is exactly what has happened nation wide. The narrative that the numbers are over-inflated is simply false.


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SmackoverHawg
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What about the people that have died because they delayed care for fear of COVID? Or couldn't get access to care because clinics were shut down or diagnostic studies delayed due to COVID shut down? No way to accurately calculate those. There are many complication factors in play. That's why those that question the CDC or state numbers shouldn't be ostracized or ignored. We need the numbers to be as accurate as possible to make more educated decisions. This is anecdotal of course, but I do not know of a single person that has died from COVID. The only two cases where I have first hand knowledge and access all medical records died with COVID and not of it. My nature is to question things that don't add up. My experiences and opinions or questions are based on what I have seen and have firsthand knowledge of. In the grand scheme of things that's a small fraction, but When I see PANSARS counted and other things that aren't correct, it makes me question everything. I've had 2 people in the past month that were diagnosed with COVID sent to larger hospitals in LR, kept for a week or two and discharged with the diagnosis of COVID. Both were still ill, and after reviewing their charts and labs I tested them for tick borne illness. Both postivie for Rocky Mountain Spotter Fever with IgM (acute antibody) and IgG positive. Both responded to doxycycline within days and have been symptom free since. COVID recheck was negative. I'm not questioning their COVID swabs, they were done at legit facilities, but once diagnosed with COVID there seems to be a tunnel vision that attributes all their ills to COVID when in fact it was not. Every single lab abnormality they attributed to COVID is also seen with RMSF and other tick borne illnesses. I'm not a COVID denier. It seems that you may be misunderstanding my stance. We look at the data and through our own experiences make our own conclusions. I'm not even saying you're wrong. Neither of us have complete info and there are numerous complication factors. So downvote me and continue to try and silence people that don't follow the current narrative like sheep. I follow the quidelines, I don't dismiss COVID and it's potential for serious infections, but I do question the current dialogue and how the numbers are being interpreted.


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SmackoverHawg
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Actually the death numbers are under reported. The number of deaths as recorded through burials, are far in excess of what would be typical. So if in July there average is 10,000 deaths (total made up number), and therefore number of burials/cremations are 10,000. Instead the numbers are more like 12,500 (made up number for illustration), and you can account for 1,000 of those for Covid, then you are drastically under counting Covid deaths. Some of those are probable not Covid, but a large number of them will be, and this is exactly what has happened nation wide. The narrative that the numbers are over-inflated is simply false.



You have a link. Not being a smartass, but I've been trying to find reliable, up to date info on this to compare to previous years.


pioneerbasketball
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The Arkansas Department of Health on Saturday reported 32,533 cases and 357 deaths due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.


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BadPiggy
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Smack over,

As stated, some of those deaths are due to knock on effects. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, writing this stuff on a phone is not my strongest attribute. As for links, non handy as I have seen a number of them. However the first I read about it was a New York Times article, and at that time in May I think it was, there were 4,000 excess deaths in NYC to that point. That should be easy to find. But since I have read probably about probable 6-8 studies supporting this. Where those are is lost in the sea of items I have read about Covid both scientific and and mass media. Also several states were not following guildlines on reporting Covid deaths, requiring a positive test, instead of counting all near certain cases as is is done with the annual flu mortality count. Don't know that this is still the case, but it was something like 12-13 states that were doing this, making their numbers look better than they really were.
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piggilicious
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Hendrix suspends (or suspects depending on the typo lol) fall sports due to covid. Did i know they had a football team???

LINK


oklahogjr
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Did i know they had a football team???

I didn't. But i'm sure they're football team is smart and on drugs. Litterally the story of everyone i've ever met that went there grad or not.


pioneerbasketball
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ARKANSAS — Members of the Arkansas National Guard have been called to active duty by order of the governor.

Governor Asa Hutchinson ordered 14 medics from the Army National Guard to transport positive COVID-19 patients from locations around the state to an isolation facility near the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences in Little Rock, a release stated.

This facility provides an isolation location for Arkansans unable to isolate at home due to family considerations, according to a release.


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Jason Rapert is in the hospital with it.

Karma


pioneerbasketball
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LITTLE ROCK (KATV) — Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson announced Monday that the state will spend $10 million of CARES Act funds to expand student internet access as schools prepare to resume classes next month.


pioneerbasketball
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Beebe has gone full retard



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