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Chad Morris the QB Guru?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:41 am
I was looking around online to see if anyone had done a write up on Morris's ability to develop players and I ended up on his 247 page. I guess we all know that he worked with Boyd at Clemson and flipped Deshaun Watson to Clemson as well. I was interested to see that he also was the guy responsible for recruiting Chad Kelly to Clemson as well. We all know that didn't pan out of course, but man this guy can reel in good QBs. Dual threat types as well. It makes me wonder if Rafe ends up transferring back in and he turns out to be great. Lol.
A couple other things to note. He has yet to land a 5* recruit, but apparently stars aren't everything because he took the nation's second worst offense and turned it into a Top 10 offense in just 3 years at SMU.
Nobody appears to have done the research yet on his player development stats yet, so maybe I can get around to that later today. I'm hoping that he shows more promise in that arena than Malzahn, because their systems are nearly identical and Malzahn really isn't all that good at sending players to the pros. If this guy IS good at it we may have just found the next great coach. Fingers crossed.
A couple other things to note. He has yet to land a 5* recruit, but apparently stars aren't everything because he took the nation's second worst offense and turned it into a Top 10 offense in just 3 years at SMU.
Nobody appears to have done the research yet on his player development stats yet, so maybe I can get around to that later today. I'm hoping that he shows more promise in that arena than Malzahn, because their systems are nearly identical and Malzahn really isn't all that good at sending players to the pros. If this guy IS good at it we may have just found the next great coach. Fingers crossed.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:14 am to BoarEd
Analytics guys like Dave Bartoo are not high on his coaching... especially his offensive and defnsive efficincy -- the stats that translate most to championship type teams.
He also had Morris rated third compared to Norvell and Kiffin, with Norvell being first.
Nerds don't like him
All that being said, Bartoo thought Bert was a very very good coach.... So, I guess we'll see who is right.
He also had Morris rated third compared to Norvell and Kiffin, with Norvell being first.
Nerds don't like him
All that being said, Bartoo thought Bert was a very very good coach.... So, I guess we'll see who is right.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:19 am to Jack Ruby
Yeah, I remember that interview with Bo and I been using it against Morris ever since. Lol. But now that it's official I am gonna disregard that information until we see what he can do here. Bartoo is usually pretty good, but he does miss sometimes. Bielema being the first example that comes to mind.
Also, the offensive and defensive efficiency categories, I agree, are vitally important in determining how successful a team will be. Let's hope he can land a really good DC. Perhaps one he worked with previously in building a national title caliber team.
If your offensive efficiency numbers are down, it is of vital importance to have a really good defense. You have to get the offense as many snaps as possible to overcome the lack of efficiency. Morris needs a defense that gets off the field very quickly.
Also, the offensive and defensive efficiency categories, I agree, are vitally important in determining how successful a team will be. Let's hope he can land a really good DC. Perhaps one he worked with previously in building a national title caliber team.
If your offensive efficiency numbers are down, it is of vital importance to have a really good defense. You have to get the offense as many snaps as possible to overcome the lack of efficiency. Morris needs a defense that gets off the field very quickly.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:20 am to Jack Ruby
Sorry, I can't take a nerd seriously that can't use the correct form of "to".
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:28 am to HogX
Yeah. He gets a lot of shite dead right. But he misses stuff too.
He's the guy that predicted Arkansas could go 11-1 during the regular season this year. Lol. But to his credit he did say that Arkansas was one of the more volatile teams in the country to predict. Models had us going anywhere from 5-7 to 11-1 and he went with the upper end because he basically just had a hunch Bielema would get it all figured out.
He called it dead on about both Missouri and Florida this year being bad due to their efficiency numbers.
It's a valid metric.
He's the guy that predicted Arkansas could go 11-1 during the regular season this year. Lol. But to his credit he did say that Arkansas was one of the more volatile teams in the country to predict. Models had us going anywhere from 5-7 to 11-1 and he went with the upper end because he basically just had a hunch Bielema would get it all figured out.
He called it dead on about both Missouri and Florida this year being bad due to their efficiency numbers.
It's a valid metric.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:35 am to BoarEd
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He called it dead on about both Missouri and Florida this year being bad due to their efficiency numbers.
To be fair, I called Florida being trash before the season and I can't even do long division. And Missouri has won 6 straight, 4 over SEC opponents...they're far from bad.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:36 am to HogX
Yeah, Missouri got stuff figured out midway through the year. The first half of the season was terrible for them, though. Fans had their pitchforks at the ready.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:38 am to BoarEd
Definitely. They've had one of the damnedest turn-arounds I've ever seen.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:48 am to Jack Ruby
Bartoo likes analytical coaches, like Bret. He seems to have some sort of hatred towards Morris.
Upgrade SMU? 7-5 regular seasons is their ceiling, literally with all their disadvantages.
Upgrade SMU? 7-5 regular seasons is their ceiling, literally with all their disadvantages.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:53 am to Woopigsooie20
Yeah, that part is pretty funny. Lol. Straight up talking shite. 30 years of history should give him a pretty firm analytics foundation to tell him there's a 90% chance SMU doesn't make another bowl game for 10 years. Lol
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:55 am to BoarEd
He seems to be a bad coach mouthpiece. Said Nebraska made a mistake with firing Riley and made a poor hire with Frost.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:37 pm to BoarEd
I think Morris is a great hire for Arkansas but let's address some things because incorrect conclusions are made
Boyd was a top 50 recruit nat'l as a 6'0 tall QB. I wouldn't say he "developed" as much as didn't LSU him
Watson was always committed to Clemson. Auburn was expected/potentially could "flip" him during a "secret visitor" trip, but #1 Ahole AU Fan WarBlogle ruined it by he saw Watson visiting (Dabo immediately called and Watson left AU never came back)
Watson was the #1 rated DUAL QB. With today's shift to dual QBs, he'd have been a 5*
As expected for a Gus/Morris style offense at that level. This offense feasts on teams that either don't have the coaching or athletes to stop it.
As you'll see though, it can really struggle against well coached, talented defenses.
This is just factually inaccurate, Auburn was #11 nationally in terms of players on opening day NFL Rosters with 28/34 having played at some point for Gus in 2013-2016
As for Gus offense into the NFL, he has done pretty well considering Auburn's recruiting success is almost all on the defensive side of the ball (3/4 5*, 71% top 250 4* players are defensive players)
He has the following make NFL rosters from his time as HC
QB- 0 (1 if you include Nick Marshall)
RB- 4 (3 drafted)
WR- 3 (2 drafted)
TE- 1 (1 drafted)
OL- 3 (2 drafted)
Exp Offense Draft Picks RDs from Walter Camp
2018 Draft RD 2-3 -> OG Braden Smith
2018 Draft RD 2-3 -> RB Kerryon Johnson
2018 Draft RD 3-5 ('19 RD 2-3) -> QB Jarrett Stidham
2018 Draft RD 3-5 -> OL Austin Golson
2019 Draft RD 3-4 -> RB Kam Pettway
Morris is a good hire for sure
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we all know that he worked with Boyd at Clemson
Boyd was a top 50 recruit nat'l as a 6'0 tall QB. I wouldn't say he "developed" as much as didn't LSU him
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flipped Deshaun Watson to Clemson
Watson was always committed to Clemson. Auburn was expected/potentially could "flip" him during a "secret visitor" trip, but #1 Ahole AU Fan WarBlogle ruined it by he saw Watson visiting (Dabo immediately called and Watson left AU never came back)
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He has yet to land a 5* recruit
Watson was the #1 rated DUAL QB. With today's shift to dual QBs, he'd have been a 5*
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because he took the nation's second worst offense and turned it into a Top 10 offense in just 3 years at SMU
As expected for a Gus/Morris style offense at that level. This offense feasts on teams that either don't have the coaching or athletes to stop it.
As you'll see though, it can really struggle against well coached, talented defenses.
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Malzahn really isn't all that good at sending players to the pros.
This is just factually inaccurate, Auburn was #11 nationally in terms of players on opening day NFL Rosters with 28/34 having played at some point for Gus in 2013-2016
As for Gus offense into the NFL, he has done pretty well considering Auburn's recruiting success is almost all on the defensive side of the ball (3/4 5*, 71% top 250 4* players are defensive players)
He has the following make NFL rosters from his time as HC
QB- 0 (1 if you include Nick Marshall)
RB- 4 (3 drafted)
WR- 3 (2 drafted)
TE- 1 (1 drafted)
OL- 3 (2 drafted)
Exp Offense Draft Picks RDs from Walter Camp
2018 Draft RD 2-3 -> OG Braden Smith
2018 Draft RD 2-3 -> RB Kerryon Johnson
2018 Draft RD 3-5 ('19 RD 2-3) -> QB Jarrett Stidham
2018 Draft RD 3-5 -> OL Austin Golson
2019 Draft RD 3-4 -> RB Kam Pettway
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If this guy IS good at it we may have just found the next great coach. Fingers crossed.
Morris is a good hire for sure
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:59 pm to GenesChin
His first QB recruit at SMU, Ben Hicks is a damn good QB now as well.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:01 pm to Woopigsooie20
Texas A&M 4 star is already wavering per the twitters.
Also, we can expect every single SMU high end 3 star or above to transfer.
When I say high end 3 star, ya'll know what I'm sayin'.
Also, we can expect every single SMU high end 3 star or above to transfer.
When I say high end 3 star, ya'll know what I'm sayin'.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:15 pm to GenesChin
Thanks for the info.
I don't know why I was thinking he flipped. I think I saw that posted elsewhere and just took it as fact. I went back and read up on it again and people may be getting confused about Morris and Watson because Morris wasn't actually the first coach on Watson. Billy Napier was. Of course he was also coaching at Clemson so when he was let go and Morris came in, Morris was enamored with him. Proclaimed, when Watson was in 9th grade, that if Clemson signed him they'd play for a national title.
Yeah, I knew Morris didn't develop Boyd. He just worked with him. Maybe for only a single season too, if memory serves.
As far as Gus putting players in the draft goes, maybe I should have said Bielema was able to send more to the NFL despite having lower rated recruiting classes. We need someone even better than that.
I don't know why I was thinking he flipped. I think I saw that posted elsewhere and just took it as fact. I went back and read up on it again and people may be getting confused about Morris and Watson because Morris wasn't actually the first coach on Watson. Billy Napier was. Of course he was also coaching at Clemson so when he was let go and Morris came in, Morris was enamored with him. Proclaimed, when Watson was in 9th grade, that if Clemson signed him they'd play for a national title.
Yeah, I knew Morris didn't develop Boyd. He just worked with him. Maybe for only a single season too, if memory serves.
As far as Gus putting players in the draft goes, maybe I should have said Bielema was able to send more to the NFL despite having lower rated recruiting classes. We need someone even better than that.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:41 pm to BoarEd
His son Chandler Morris is supposed to be a very high QB prospect in the 2020 class fyi.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:12 pm to GenesChin
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Boyd was a top 50 recruit nat'l as a 6'0 tall QB. I wouldn't say he "developed" as much as didn't LSU him
Boyd not only credits Morris for helping him, but he actually helped Morris get the job. I read an interview with Dabo and Boyd, where they discussed how Dabo had Boyd help him interview Morris for the OC job.
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Watson was always committed to Clemson.
You're probably right about all that, but Watson has said that he considers Morris to be father-like figure.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:50 pm to Jack Ruby
Yea, I'm going to take the word of some dimwit that doesn't know the difference between "too" and "to".
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:57 pm to redeye
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Boyd not only credits Morris for helping him, but he actually helped Morris get the job.
Wasn't trying to trash Morris as much as point out that Boyd was extremely talented and not some scrub Morris made into a hero.
Hey, getting ever talented QBs playing good football isn't easy. LSU hasn't been able to accomplish that in over a decade.
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You're probably right about all that, but Watson has said that he considers Morris to be father-like figure.
The poster claimed Watson "flipped" when Watson was only committed to Clemson. Morris was a big reason why Watson didn't flip to AU / other places
Whether Watson was a one time recruiting success or indicative of Morris' recruiting ability is unknown. Morris has the resume though to make a good sell ot dual threat QBs though
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:09 pm to GenesChin
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Wasn't trying to trash Morris as much as point out that Boyd was extremely talented and not some scrub Morris made into a hero.
Yea, I understood and I appreciated the good info. Just adding onto what you added.
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