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Posted on 9/7/24 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 8:47 pm to
Arkansas had good teams when they had tough QBs like Mallett, Wilson and Allen who decided he longer wanted to choke in high pressure games.
Posted by CFB_Fanatic
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:26 pm to
I agree.

This loss was on the players and mistakes they made.

And if you’re going to blame the coaches, Bobby should have more blame than Sam.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:51 pm to
Until we start winning, a portion of our fans are going to insufferable.
Posted by weremoose
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:04 pm to
I can't think of a coach not in one of those conferences that I'd want right now.

That's not a defense of Pittman. Dude should have been gone last year.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:15 pm to
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Let’s not forget that the D gave up 6 points in 3 qtrs of ball. This loss was on the indecisiveness and panic from our QB and mistakes by our players we trust

Yup. The players were clearly unprepared to go into those scenarios and manage the game. Our QB has a lot of potential but clearly has some learning to do on how to throw the ball away without throwing into traffic and how to manage the end of games.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:21 pm to
Not the type of season with the QB that is a work in progress and Sam's job is in jeopardy.

Those two don't mix.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 10:58 pm
Posted by cubsfan5150
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 10:50 pm to
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The errors we saw that cost us the game were made by offensive skill players.


Same type of errors we’ve been seeing with every Pittman team

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Most if not all of those errors were made by new players on the team


If they had those same problems previously, they would be in D2

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New players in a new system with new coaches Those same new coaches & players allowed us to almost win Pittman’s coaching didn’t cost us the game


All doing the same thing Pittman teams do. Not his fault though.
Posted by CFB_Fanatic
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 8:29 am to
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Same type of errors we’ve been seeing with every Pittman team


So Petrino takes no blame for the offense issues? Got it.

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If they had those same problems previously, they would be in D2


Or they would’ve transferred….

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All doing the same thing Pittman teams do. Not his fault though


Except when they win. Then it’s bc of the players
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 8:55 am to
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This loss was on the players and mistakes they made.

And if you’re going to blame the coaches, Bobby should have more blame than Sam.


This notion that Sam isn't at fault because he’s not the one fumbling snaps, putting ball in the turf, or body slamming a ball carrier on 3rd and 10 is completely farcical to me, because as the leader of this team he created the soft, accountability-less environment conducive for those errors to happening.

The second half collapses and mental mistakes are the same program and culture problems that Bert's teams had. By 2015 or 2016, you could tell that fear of a second half collapse had so infected our team and program culture that it was almost a given in games. I almost remember preferring to be trailing or tied at halftime of big games as opposed to leading. The biggest manifestation of it was the Belk Bowl.

Anyone who's led people and teams in any job function in corporate America understands this. When you stop holding people accountable, stop sweating the details, don't lead by example, are too deferential, and don't lead effectively through the tough situations, you start to have quality issues, people start coming in later and leaving earlier, and overall team performance slips.

At the end of the day, this is on Yurachek, who I've wanted gone for years. Not only did he allow this farce to continue after last year threw back the curtain on how poor of a program leader Pittman really is, he's also a front-running coward of a leader. Front and center on Twitter and Hogs+ when we win, AWOL when we lose. Funny how he conveniently disappeared during the Morris years, during the second half of basketball last season, during last year's football season, etc. but was everywhere during 2021, the Elite Eight runs, and in postgame videos after a W. His social media theatrics are tiresome too, and the Muss Bus thing after last season was a forehead slapper, especially in hindsight after Muss left.

The fact that in year 5 some of you are still making the “well he wasn’t the one making those mistakes on the field!” excuse for a failed coach tells me we’ve become far too much of a docile, weak, complacent fan base to ever have a good football program again.

And yes, Petrino deserves a ton of blame for calling a shitty game in the 2nd half in which the only bright spots were the quick TD drive and the last drive to set up the FG (which was a complete disaster in and of itself with the clock and snap management).
Posted by YumYum Sauce
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 9:52 am to
People think Pittman is a nice guy and they let that cloud their judgement of him. We saw this exact same shite with Houston Nutt. Its like they don't want to hurt his feelings or something.

It's 2024, major college football is now a pay to play league. If you spend the money, the coaching and talent will come, period. Stop trying so hard to "like" players and coaches and see it for what it is.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:49 pm to
No more moral victories or pumping sunshine.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:02 pm to
There are dreamers and there are realists

One is naturally positive and one is naturally negative

One is enjoyable to be around, the other pours negative into others and drains positive energy.

Understanding those two groups exist, makes dealing with people/fans much easier.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:10 pm to
Watching Arkansas football will make you negative and depressed.

Posted by Riggle
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Watching Arkansas football will make you negative and depressed.


This is why I'm trying to just take it game by game. Negativity really ate me up last season. It's tiring after over a decade
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:38 pm to
SEC shorts needs an episode called Big Red goes to a therapist.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:56 pm to
Nothing is more clear to me, after listening to Sam Pittman's presser, than he has no fricking idea how to do this job....
Posted by SmackoverHawg
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:35 pm to
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Watching Arkansas football will make you negative and depressed.

Truth!!!
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:36 pm to
I am NOT disagreeing with everything that you wrote. However, with these caveats. It didn't begin with Pittman, it began with Nutt and his golden handcuffs to give him more time within the Nebraska episodes, then the Parachute following. We accepted (rightfully so) a Petrino who had done the falcons extremely dirty, who almost took the job at Auburn while lying to Louisville, who has done more dirty and evil that most could imagine (I know, we don't care... just win baby) and he won.. but he was on the verge of crapping out with the recruiting happening during that time, not being able to get quality coaches because of his demeanor (see Louisville's 2nd stint). Then Bert, Smile, Left Lane Hammer Down, and Pittman. We have been accepting mediocrity or fringe coaches forever. This is nothing new.

We either accept mediocrity, or coaches most others wouldn't take... or somethign just fits together for the good, until the bad prevails once more.

This Is Not New...

It is, who we are. Historically speaking for a while now.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:52 pm to
Nutt atleast went to the sec championship game....

Bobby didn't even get there although bobby got the bcs bowl so we can call that even as neither team was competing to win it all that year.

It's been noticably downhill in achievements since then.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:00 pm to
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Nutt atleast went to the sec championship game....



Apples and Oranges in talent levels between then and now in the SEC man. We now have a beast at GA, Tennessee looks incredible, Texas-Blah, but great, OU here now. The SEC was nothing close to what it is now imho.

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It's been noticably downhill in achievements since then.


Yep, agreed... But we should have fired Nutt and Hired a Great prior to being handcuffed earlier.
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