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Yard Per Play Model Prediction - #6 Alabama @ #10 LSU

Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:04 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:04 am
I only used the last 3 games for LSU due to their coaching change and how they've settled into things since basically the Tennessee game. I only used Alabama's road games since the splits are so big. So, this entire thing is based on:
(a) LSU's performance vs Tennessee, @ Florida, Ole Miss compared to those 3 teams yearly performance vs every other P5 opponent
(b) Alabama's performance @ Texas, @ Arkansas and @ Tennessee compared to those 3 teams yearly performance vs every other P5 opponent.

Vegas
- Alabama -13.5
- Total of 56.5
- Vegas estimated score : Alabama 35 - LSU 22


YPP Model (Alabama away vs LSU last 3)

Alabama : 41
LSU : 33


Alabama
- 72 plays for 534 yards (7.42 YPP)
- 42 passes for 336 yards (8.01 YPA)
- 30 rushes for 198 yards (6.60 YPA)

LSU
- 73 plays for 451 yards (6.17 YPP)
- 36 passes for 321 yards (8.93 YPA)
- 37 rushes for 129 yards (3.49 YPA)


Penalties are baked into these numbers in the "points per yard" metric that determines how many points you score per offensive yard gained. Obviously, if you have a lot of offensive penalties, that would negatively effect your point per yard offensive number because you'd need more yards to score a point. Flip on defense.



Now - if you ONLY include the last 2 games for LSU - @ Florida and vs Ole Miss and compare it to our road performances, then you get into close game territory. Very close game territory. However, that's a tiny sample size and is a bit hard to judge.


Vegas
- Alabama -13.5
- Total of 56.5
- Vegas estimated score : Alabama 35 - LSU 22


YPP Model (Alabama away vs LSU last 2)

Alabama : 39.4
LSU : 39.3


Alabama
- 73 plays for 534 yards (7.31 YPP)
- 46 passes for 370 yards (8.01 YPA)
- 27 rushes for 164 yards (6.09 YPA)

LSU
- 73 plays for 487 yards (6.67 YPP)
- 31 passes for 320 yards (10.31 YPA)
- 42 rushes for 167 yards (3.98 YPA)




If you used the entire season for both teams, it would probably spit out a number very similar to the vegas line (maybe a bit heavier on Alabama). If you used Alabama's last 4 games w/ Bryce, you'd probably have Alabama around -10.

Basically, LSU's shot to win is for Alabama to self destruct with penalties (see every road game), play bad pass defense (see Texas/Tennessee) and for them to play at the same level they did the last 2 weeks. Some may look at LSU's splits and say "well if they are throwing for 10.3 YPA why don't they throw 6-7 more times and run 6-7 times less." The answer is, I don't think they can operate that way. They can't just drop back and throw it 45 times like Alabama can with Bryce. Daniels is going to tuck and run 30% of those anyway, and he has to work in the rhythm of an offense. If they jacked up attempts to 40 I'm very confident his YPA would drop significantly.

And Bryce's are raised in situation #2 because in a game like that I'd assume we play like we did in Knoxville where we put the game in his hands and he throws more than average.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 11:13 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:18 am to
On the flip side............if we play a semi-competent game on defense and only have, say, 5 penalties for 70 yards.........there is a ton of upward mobility for us! So that's good!
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4966 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:19 am to
Take account into Young's injury and inability to be consistent the last three games... If he wasn't hurt... I think the numbers would trend in positive side for Bama... I think we beat them by 25 this saturday.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
13026 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:27 am to
Can you do stats based on common teams played?

Miss St and Tennessee are the two common teams played I believe.

I just don't think LSU is very good. I don't put too much into their win over Ole Miss, because I don't think Ole Miss is that good either. Both teams have just beaten bad teams.

Tennessee went to BR and destroyed LSU. A week later Bama went to Knoxville and shite the bed and still should have won the game in a 3 point loss.

Alabama handled State easily, while LSU had to have a 2nd half comeback to win at home.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:29 am to
Kind of irrelevant - the comparison is how you perform vs a team compared to how that team has performed on the year.

I think the biggest questions are (a) is LSU of the last 2 weeks really good or a bit of a product of their opponents (it's definitely a good team, though) and (b) Who is Alabama and does dumbshite road Alabama who looks lost and gets 100 penalties show up or not.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88103 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Some may look at LSU's splits and say "well if they are throwing for 10.3 YPA why don't they throw 6-7 more times and run 6-7 times less." The answer is, I don't think they can operate that way.


Definitely not and is the main reason I don’t think we’re going to be able to keep pace with you as you’re not going to have to commit extra resources to slow down our inside traps and zones. I don’t expect much blitzing from Alabama, lots of twists and stunts from the front 4 while dropping everyone else into coverage. Jayden will still get his on the outside but that’s not going to be enough to live on.

Still, it’s nice that this game means something again and it isn’t an obvious mismatch up front both ways the way there was from 2013-2018.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 1:24 pm to
This will be a game that who makes the most mistakes will probably lose.
Mistakes include, of course, turnovers and excessive penalties. But also include dropped passes, poor play selection, poor tackling/ being out of position, etc.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
51540 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:05 pm to
I fully expect us to shite the bed on the road with penalties etc...

But I still do not believe the defense is bad enough to be giving up more than 6YPP vs that LSU offense. If we do then I think any notion of this being a good defense is pretty much done.
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18498 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

I fully expect us to shite the bed on the road with penalties etc...


Hopefully, we won't get the same officials that we got at the Tennessee game.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
21172 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Hopefully, we won't get the same officials that we got at the Tennessee game.

That crew should not see another season in this conference. They would do much better in the PAC or Big 12.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
20165 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:21 pm to
I usually steer far away from the refs cheated us convo. However, some of the calls against us and not called at all were absolutely criminal. On top of that we had a multitude of Stupid penalties. Our offense finally woke up and we played amazing.

If we do get to play UT again at a neutral site I think we win the game.

I think LSU has flashes of good but I truly think we play a cleaner game and win by 10-14.
Posted by Britlab
Nashville
Member since Jan 2014
355 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:04 pm to
“Poor play calling” Uh oh!
Posted by ChromaticTide
Member since Dec 2021
892 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:09 pm to
I'm really hoping we come out and have a complete team win.

If we play a good game, there's no reason we shouldn't win by 2+ scores.

If we dick around and rack up penalties and 3-and-outs this game could easily turn into Texas/TN part 3.
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3998 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

I usually steer far away from the refs cheated us convo. However, some of the calls against us and not called at all were absolutely criminal. On top of that we had a multitude of Stupid penalties. Our offense finally woke up and we played amazing.


Preach. We made enough stupid mind blowing mistakes to lose 2-3 close games.

quote:

If we do get to play UT again at a neutral site I think we win the game.


Agreed. Can’t believe we’d help as much via our own self destruction a second time…only in Jordan Hare do we do that, it seems.

Id lay 9 this weekend since I’m a conservative bet maker.
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
26146 posts
Posted on 11/4/22 at 8:37 am to
At least from 4th Quarter Texas onward we have been great on offense on the road. The caveat being that Arkansas and Tennessee don’t play good defense

How does the model change if you take out the 2nd half of Arkansas?
This post was edited on 11/4/22 at 8:43 am
Posted by ETT2001
Member since Dec 2020
1042 posts
Posted on 11/4/22 at 11:06 am to
That is good to hear. Hopefully we play a cleaner play with far fewer penalties and mistakes.

Does the staff think we match up well with LSU and should not be worried about winning this one? I feel like some guys were held out against MSU because we knew we matched up well and could win without them.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

YPP Model (Alabama away vs LSU last 2)

Alabama : 39.4
LSU : 39.3

Alabama
- 73 plays for 534 yards (7.31 YPP)
- 46 passes for 370 yards (8.01 YPA)
- 27 rushes for 164 yards (6.09 YPA)

LSU
- 73 plays for 487 yards (6.67 YPP)
- 31 passes for 320 yards (10.31 YPA)
- 42 rushes for 167 yards (3.98 YPA)



welp
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
23189 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 12:56 pm to
What was the time of possession?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 12:57 pm to
32 to 28 LSU
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
23189 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:18 pm to
Thank you, pretty close in every area.
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