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Who exactly is our OC?
Posted on 11/28/24 at 12:17 am
Posted on 11/28/24 at 12:17 am
I've heard it's Sheridan but I see Deboer with a play sheet. I'd prefer Deboer focus on managing the game...paying attention to the refs frick ups, offensive miss alignments, late snaps, personnel issues, etc. If that's Sheridans job let him call the game.
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:32 pm to BFANLC
I hope it’s not Deboer. The Oklahoma game was one of the worst-called Bama offenses I’ve seen since the HB Dive days with Darby.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:50 pm to BFANLC
Sheridan is totally in over his head. DeBoer is, too, in my opinion. My guess is that Sheridan and Wommack are both going to get let go once the Auburn game is over. It’s going to be interesting to see who DeBoer hires as their replacements.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:56 pm to bamatide07
They have all been best friends since Indiana, don't see that happening
Posted on 11/28/24 at 2:08 pm to phaz
They’re in over their heads in the SEC. Point blank. If DeBoer doesn’t want to make changes then he will be on a scorching hot seat entering 2025. Indiana isn’t Alabama. Washington isn’t Alabama, either.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 2:51 pm to bamatide07
Posted on 11/28/24 at 2:58 pm to big d 18
To be honest, with Sheridan up for an award I would not be surprised to see deboer retain him. I hope I'm wrong but deboer seems loyal to a fault
Posted on 11/28/24 at 3:22 pm to BFANLC
I’d be ok with the coaches if I saw them coaching up the players during the game and also changing what is not working. I’m hoping it’s the players and not the coaches as much, if not it’s going to be rough the next couple of years.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:27 pm to bamatide07
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Sheridan is totally in over his head. DeBoer is, too, in my opinion. My guess is that Sheridan and Wommack are both going to get let go once the Auburn game is over. It’s going to be interesting to see who DeBoer hires as their replacements.
There’s no way to tell what’s coaching and what’s Milroe.
DeBoer needs to own the horrible game prep for OU but anyone who doesn’t think he knows how to develop an offense needs to watch UW last year. Their scheme with Grubb and Penix was near perfection.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:34 pm to tide06
I wonder how much it hurt losing Grubbs in this offense?
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:44 pm to Dolphin1
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I wonder how much it hurt losing Grubbs in this offense?
IMO he was the best OC in the country and they lost the OL coach as well if im not mistaken.
That hurts.
Then you throw a relatively new OC into the mix, a roster that has to learn a new system and Jalen Milroe.
That’s a lot of variables to untangle.
Milroe by himself is almost too much of a wildcard to accurately judge a playcaller.
If you compare our playbook to the UW scheme last year I think we’ve only unlocked about 25% of what he’d like to be doing schematically. Milroe can’t run any of the complex or even intermediate passing concepts so we’re judging them on what Milroe can do rather than what DeBoer would like to do.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:44 pm to Dolphin1
I am sure he would have rather had him than not , but this is not what KDB wants to run on offense
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:52 pm to Syd
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I’d be ok with the coaches if I saw them coaching up the players during the game and also changing what is not working.
I mean what are you going to tell a junior QB who can’t read the defender in an option? That’s an expectation for a 5th grade QB and this guy can’t do it in his early 20’s.
Or adjust a protection scheme? That’s a freshman HS read. “Oh… OLB just walked up to the LOS, let me call a hot route or slide protection.” It’s not rocket science.
He’s either not smart enough or doesn’t GAF. Either way the end result is the same.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:01 pm to BFANLC
Remember when Daboll was called a poor OC with Hurts? Remember what happened when he actually had a QB that could run his playbook?
Same thing with the USF game last year. Look at the playcalls with Jalen and Buchner/Simpson, entirely different stuff
You can’t judge Sheridan or DeBoer when they’re limited
Same thing with the USF game last year. Look at the playcalls with Jalen and Buchner/Simpson, entirely different stuff
You can’t judge Sheridan or DeBoer when they’re limited
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:04 pm to tide06
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Milroe can’t run any of the complex or even intermediate passing concepts so we’re judging them on what Milroe can do rather than what DeBoer would like to do.
Can’t run the read-option, can’t run option, can’t run RPO, can’t run any short passing concepts like mesh, can’t run any passing concepts in the middle of the field. Our entire offense is Milroe up the middle, RB’s to the outside and deep passing on the sidelines.
It’s shocking in 4 years how little Milroe can run. All of the easy concepts that pair with his skills, he can’t manage. I can’t image how stuck they must feel trying to game plan offensively.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:22 pm to BFANLC
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:36 am to UhOhOreo
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You can’t judge Sheridan or DeBoer when they’re limited
you can 100% judge how they adjust... and they haven't. THAT'S the problem. They keep running stupid game plans expecting something different
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Can’t run the read-option, can’t run option, can’t run RPO, can’t run any short passing concepts like mesh, can’t run any passing concepts in the middle of the field. Our entire offense is Milroe up the middle, RB’s to the outside and deep passing on the sidelines.
I don't believe for one second that the RB have been given a fair share of the rushing load. You can't tell me that OC isn't part of the problem when we keep lining up in qb run with 8 men in the box and 7+ yards to go..or no slants or moving the pocket against a blitz... Where's the deep ball gone?
IDK... i understand that milroe is limiting, but that doesn't mean you do stupid shite and hope for the best. We've seen lesser talent look alot better here.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 12:41 am
Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:56 am to bamabonners
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I don't believe for one second that the RB have been given a fair share of the rushing load.
We don’t know what’s Milroe calling his own number when the RB should get it, but I agree that 50% of Milroes carries should’ve been Miller/Haynes.
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You can't tell me that OC isn't part of the problem when we keep lining up in qb run with 8 men in the box and 7+ yards to go..or no slants or moving the pocket against a blitz...
There’s a real possibility Milroe is just panic running right now. I agree the output looked horrible.
The obvious solution is you bench Milroe and run your offense. This season is already cooked, what’s the real risk of seeing if Simpson can run the offense in a big game? If he can’t you’ve saved two QBs worth of NIL and can spend the offseason developing Mack/Lonergan/Russell.
Every major issue on the team comes down to whether the coaches have the balls to bench Milroe or not.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:38 am to tide06
I think back to fall practice and DeBoer saying he can’t install the entire offensive because these aren’t his players. I thought, damn he’s got a loaded roster full of the best athletes he’s ever coached. But from the QBs, offensive linemen, and even the skill players must not be able to fit his system. Maybe some players but not all.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:11 am to Syd
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I think back to fall practice and DeBoer saying he can’t install the entire offensive because these aren’t his players. I thought, damn he’s got a loaded roster full of the best athletes he’s ever coached. But from the QBs, offensive linemen, and even the skill players must not be able to fit his system.
QB: Milroe is damn sure not what he needs to run his offense, but our former 4th string guy is starting at Pitt, he has a 5* in Simpson, plus Lonergan and he ran off our QB1 5* to bring in his guy so I don’t believe for a minute we don’t have anyone capable of running the offense at an effective level
RB: better than anything he’s ever had, but have been clearly under utilized
WR: elite and under utilized due to QB
TE: good until OU
OL: talented but bad fit. He wants speedy guys who can pull. We’d spent two years getting the biggest group of maulers in the country, but they’re too slow to block how he wants and half of them are injured to the point of probably needing to sit.
There is plenty to work with. But he inherited and has continued to play a QB who is effectively limiting everyone else around them from unlocking their potential. No one could’ve predicted he would regress this badly before the season, but here we are.
An elite coach pivots and adapts, it remains to be seen whether that’s what we have or not.
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