re: What permanent, everyday changes come out of this coronavirus event?

50 years old and still like it

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Curious here, but what has Nestle done or are doing ? Out of the loop I guess

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Most people are unaware of big business corruption and government corruption that's involved in it. The mainstream media isn't going to tell you about the bad things their biggest advertisers are guilty of. Neither are the politicians they give lots of money to. And the corrupt elected politicians make and approve appointments in the Judicial branch and regulatory agencies.

LINK ]Why Nestle is one of the most hated companies in the world

Surge, don’t you dare say bad stuff about sweettarts and gobstoppers!!

Yup. Let’s not even get in on the folks who dumped stocks before this Corona shite

As was mentioned before, the largest issue with Nestle is what they do with their water bottling operations. They go into poor communities, pay the applicable governments peanuts and then drain the water supply completely while calling such actions "sustainable":

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Nestlé resource manager Larry Lawrence insists the company obtained the right to Strawberry Creek’s when it purchased Arrowhead, and says its science backs claims that it draws water “sustainably”.

“The argument that there should be some flowing stream bed [in upper Strawberry Creek] – we don’t necessarily believe that and that’s what we’re testing for,” Lawrence said.

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In 2017--in the midst of that last horrible drought in California--Nestle took 30m gallons of water for which it paid $524. LINK

Back in the early 2000's their CEO stated that the notion that humans have a basic right to water as being an "extreme" opinion:

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“Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value. Personally, I believe it’s better to give a foodstuff a value so that we’re all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water, and there are many different possibilities there.”

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Unsurprisingly, he walked this back afterwards, saying that 25L a day of water is a human right.

Nestle's water division is just bad news all around.

You seem to think that because something is gmo that it contains glyphosate. That isn't true at all.
None of what you are saying has any scientific backing.
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Currently, there is a social and political controversy about the safety of foods produced from genetically modified (GM) crops. However, in the scientific community, there is no dispute or controversy regarding the safety of these crops. To date, more than 3,000 scientific studies [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] have assessed the safety of these crops in terms of human health and environmental impact. These studies together with several reviews performed on a case-by-case from regulatory agencies around the world have enabled a solid and clear scientific consensus: GM crops have no more risk than those that have been developed by conventional breeding techniques."





This is from a scientific America
article on "organic" farming.
When the Soil Association, a major organic accreditation body in the UK, asked consumers why they buy organic food, 95% of them said their top reason was to avoid pesticides. They, like many people, believe that organic farming involves little to no pesticide use. I hate to burst the bubble, but that's simply not true. Organic farming, just like other forms of agriculture, still uses pesticides and fungicides to prevent critters from destroying their crops. Confused?

So was I, when I first learned this from a guy I was dating. His family owns a farm in rural Ohio. He was grumbling about how everyone praised the local organic farms for being so environmentally-conscientious, even though they sprayed their crops with pesticides all the time while his family farm got no credit for being pesticide-free (they're not organic because they use a non-organic herbicide once a year). I didn't believe him at first, so I looked into it: turns out that there are over 20 chemicals commonly used in the growing and processing of organic crops that are approved by the US Organic Standards. And, shockingly, the actual volume usage of pesticides on organic farms is not recorded by the government. Why the government isn't keeping watch on organic pesticide and fungicide use is a damn good question, especially considering that many organic pesticides that are also used by conventional farmers are used more intensively than synthetic ones due to their lower levels of effectiveness. According to the National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy, the top two organic fungicides, copper and sulfur, were used at a rate of 4 and 34 pounds per acre in 1971 1. In contrast, the synthetic fungicides only required a rate of 1.6 lbs per acre, less than half the amount of the organic alternatives.

It's from the two different sources the first is genetic literacy project, and the second is scientific American. Other companies beside Monsanto make GMOs and you have an appeal to nature fallacy, where because something is natural it is good. Whatever sources I provide that say most GM's are generally safe for the person/environment you will say are paid for by Monsanto. So I'm done enjoy your wrong beliefs there's no use trying to explain science to someone like you.


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It would be great if young people's ideas of an "Influencer" would shift from someone with a bikini body and insatiable demand to be noticed to people with something valuable to say and who see them as more than "Likes".

It would also be great if young people, and people in general, weren't influenced by "influencers."

My wife and daughter were trying to get me to watch this talking head on YouTube the other day and my response was that even if I substantively agreed with what someone had to say, I derive no pleasure from listening to his self-righteous moralizing about what others should do or not do.

There is a very large Nestle Purina plant in Hartwell, Georgia.