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re: Washington lost 20 players to the portal
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:22 am to InkStainedWretch
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:22 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:nil could be imploded with simple review of these nil contacts and applying contract law as it already exists. It's highly unlikely that any of these nil deals could pass legal scrutiny, because they don't contain proper consideration. One sided contacts are illegal, these nil cooperatives would need to show what consideration they are receiving from these players to justify millions of dollars of payments. If it's marketing rights, they would have to show that the players nil is actually worth what was paid to secure the rights, etc. getting a player to play for your school is not proper consideration for millions of dollars if what's being sold is supposed to be nil
There is no appreciable regulation of this that will survive a court challenge.
You’re like most fans, you’re looking at this from a competitive sports perspective and standpoint, and think it will be reined in by people who see that as a priority.
That is utterly irrelevant, however, when you have players going to court and successfully arguing that keeping them from changing “jobs” when they want to or making as much money off their efforts as they want to in what has become a multibillion dollar business more than a competitive sport is a federal restraint of trade violation.
And I will remind you that the last Supreme Court decision on this was 9-0, liberals and conservatives on the same side.
The sad and harsh reality is what fans want is not going to be given any consideration whatsoever in this, and this genie is not going back into the bottle, ever.
It will eventually stabilize and work itself out for the schools, and fans can choose whether to continue watching or not. But the old days and the old sport are gone forever.
The supreme Court ruled that the players can benefit from their nil, that's not what's happening. Boosters are just paying players.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:27 am to InkStainedWretch
You are 18 or 19 year old kid who comes from little to no money and you are making 1M. The most you will see until you sign your rookie contract. Does it make sense to go to any other school for 1.1 Mil. I wouldnt go through the hassle for a small bump in pay when I have more than enough, knowing that the truly big money is just a few years down the road. Relocation and learning new terminology and new plays and walking away from your brothers does not make much sense.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:45 am to narddogg81
All you say is true so let me rephrase … trying to keep people from the basic rights to profit from their efforts to freely market their talents elsewhere should they so choose will not survive a court challenge in the 21st century.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:10 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:how money changes hands via contract is highly regulated at every level. Explain to me how an nil cooperative and a player can enter into a contract, where the consideration for the cooperative is in fact a player playing for the school tied to the cooperative vs the cooperative actually securing nil rights that justify the payments to the player. In that case an entity other than the party to the contact is receiving the consideration. That's called fraud.
All you say is true so let me rephrase … trying to keep people from the basic rights to profit from their efforts to freely market their talents elsewhere should they so choose will not survive a court challenge in the 21st century.
It would be extremely easy to prove in court that the nil value of a given player does not come close to the $ being given to them. Just because the supreme Court said the players can sign nil deals doesn't mean the law gets thrown out the window. These nil cooperatives are legally suspect and possibly fraudulent. I can easily see how they could be used to launder money for one thing. There are many ways this could be attacked, but it's going to take someone with standing to bring suits or a state justice department to do so. Maybe what's happened to Alabama will prompt the Alabama attorney general to litigate it
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:24 am to narddogg81
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Maybe what's happened to Alabama will prompt the Alabama attorney general to litigate it
I nominate you!!
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:33 am to 87Grad
quote:I cannot be convinced that Saban and brass had a plan for his retirement.
What is the evidence that there was no plan? Just because many guys went after money, or left because Saban was gone, doesn't mean there was no plan.
You can’t just do it on a whim in this day and age.
Lawson and Booker and them should have known days before, been able to rally the boys, meet with NIL people, and all that shite before Saban just up and retired.
The roster was not made a priority until after the retirement and everything was reactionary after that. This should have been a massive effort to keep the team together with a plan for the future……….then the announcement.
Texas was throwing Lamborghinis at guys hours after Saban retired.
Y’all really don’t think a better plan would have had the entire Alabama program ready for the chaos that was coming?
Does Bond still leave? Sure, maybe. But I think more stay if there is a better plan and if everyone was ready instead of IMMEDIATELY starting the 30 day portal with everyone freaking out.
You think there was a plan in place?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:43 am to Woody4daTide9
You know how firms are hired to facilitate mergers and shite?
In today’s game, you need THAT type of focus and planning to come out the other side in good shape.
We were very flippant with the energy we put in to keeping this roster when that’s the most important thing in this sport.
In today’s game, you need THAT type of focus and planning to come out the other side in good shape.
We were very flippant with the energy we put in to keeping this roster when that’s the most important thing in this sport.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:10 pm to narddogg81
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These nil cooperatives are legally suspect and possibly fraudulent. I can easily see how they could be used to launder money for one thing. There are many ways this could be attacked, but it's
This X100. Ideal vehicle to wash dirty money. It will probably take a few of these teenagers getting used and thrown away like trash to get this looked at legally. A good investigative journalist will make a name for himself blowing the lid off this thing.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:15 pm to TideWarrior
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To many times I have seen programs try to hold onto the past with coaches hoping for an easy transition and rarely does it ever work out.
Bama circa 1983
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:16 pm to narddogg81
God no, you don’t want Alabama’s attorney general within 900 miles of this thing.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:20 pm to ReauxlTide222
Or just wrong.
Or yet to be determined. Not sure it’s an absolute
Or yet to be determined. Not sure it’s an absolute
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:22 pm to narddogg81
Again I don’t disagree with you. But reining in the cooperatives, which are caca, will not change IMO the basic right moving forward of the players to be compensated and, most importantly, take their services elsewhere should they so choose. The fix for this IMO would be binding agreements on both the school and the players where both sides have input into the contractual obligations and stipulations.
Too many people think this can be returned to the days where the players were basically gladiators performing for the fans’ entertainment with no voice in the process and no compensation other than getting their schooling paid for, THAT is the genie that ain’t going back into the bottle.
Too many people think this can be returned to the days where the players were basically gladiators performing for the fans’ entertainment with no voice in the process and no compensation other than getting their schooling paid for, THAT is the genie that ain’t going back into the bottle.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
"I cannot be convinced that Saban and brass had a plan for his retirement."
"We were very flippant with the energy we put in to keeping this roster when that’s the most important thing in this sport."
So not really an evidence thing?
Just a feeling you get based on the players who have left?
If so, fair enough to have that opinion I guess.
(I guess I could ask for evidence of the flippancy, but what's the point? Folks believe what folks want to believe.)
"We were very flippant with the energy we put in to keeping this roster when that’s the most important thing in this sport."
So not really an evidence thing?
Just a feeling you get based on the players who have left?
If so, fair enough to have that opinion I guess.
(I guess I could ask for evidence of the flippancy, but what's the point? Folks believe what folks want to believe.)
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 3:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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We will see teams learn from this and have much better methods of preserving their rosters in these new times. It did not have to be this way for us. ETA: But I absolutely hear you OP
We shouldn’t have to. It’s a dumbass rule that the portal opens for 30 days upon a coaching change. Just another instance of all power being handed to the player with no recourse for the new coach or the school. The pendulum has swung so far in favor of the kid, I won’t be surprised if some coaches follow Saban into retirement or to the NFL. The rules surrounding college football have become completely asinine. The only way any good comes of this is if it hastens the Power 5 separating from the NCAA to self govern and create some limitations and guardrails for this chaos.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 4:01 pm to phil4bama
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We shouldn’t have to. It’s a dumbass rule that the portal opens for 30 days upon a coaching change
Agreed. The portal opens in the spring. If they want to leave, let them leave then.
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Too many people think this can be returned to the days where the players were basically gladiators performing for the fans’ entertainment with no voice in the process and no compensation other than getting their schooling paid for,
I don't see too many people suggesting this.
Quite the contrary really.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 4:03 pm
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