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re: Was tonight a fireable offense?

Posted on 11/24/24 at 7:31 am to
Posted by FoTownBam
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 7:31 am to
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OK, I will ask the same question I did last night: Who’s out there that’s any better than DeBoer? And who’s out there that will take the job if the standard and the expectations are that high?

CRICKETS
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 7:34 am to
Milroe still doesn't have a single reliable play. Hard to judge anything until there's someone else. KDB is in an impossible situation if half of the rumors are true and it's something Saban should've figured out last year considering his retirement and the fact that he had the authority to go unquestioned
Posted by Amarillo Tide
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 7:36 am to
No, but his coordinators need to be shown the door. I know there's comfort in working with people you've known before but neither of these guys are getting the job done. They're both terrible and simply not good enough.

I know Glenn Schumann probably doesn't want to leave UGA for a lateral job but mother of God, make him an offer he can't refuse (e.g. double his current salary or more). We need a good DC desperately.

Not sure about who Bama should go after as OC but it kills me to see other schools having an OC with an imagination and creativity that we don't have.

Posted by llfshoals
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 7:37 am to
One play sorta summed it up for me. I was so pissed off I didn’t catch it till the replay.

Oklahoma rushes 3. The RT, RG, C all combo one. For some unimaginable reason the LT combos one with the LG. The TE (80) is standing there and doesn’t block anyone. I think he was supposed to chip or help with the guy the LT (74) left to go combo the LG with, obviously confused the guy is past him before he could do anything.

That left the RB to try and stop a 300 lb guy with a full head of steam. No matter what he did (and he tried) was he going to be able to.

The question there is, who made the blocking call for that?

Milroe is bad when he gets rattled. Things like that just make it worse.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:59 pm to
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OK, I will ask the same question I did last night: Who’s out there that’s any better than DeBoer? And who’s out there that will take the job if the standard and the expectations are that high?

I’m not saying that there is someone else that is better that Alabama should go get. I’ve just lost confidence for now that DeBoer is going to get Alabama to the place Alabama is supposed to be. I hope he proves me wrong many times over.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 3:00 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:09 pm to
You cant be serious. Some of you folks need to touch some grass
Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:11 pm to
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Alabama to the place Alabama is supposed to be.


Id like to know what that place is, seriously. Year in and year out, what should the record be? Does that reflect the reality of what Alabama football has been without Nick Saban?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:18 pm to
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Id like to know what that place is, seriously. Year in and year out, what should the record be?

Competing for national championships on a consistent basis. Not losing multiple games a season to average teams.
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Does that reflect the reality of what Alabama football has been without Nick Saban?

Alabama has all of the resources and things that it needs to be successful. We aren’t in NCAA trouble or anything like that like the early 2000’s. The coaches and players just have to go make it happen. I know it’s difficult and challenging to do, but that’s what they’re at Bama to do.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted by BFANLC
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:20 pm to
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Oklahoma rushes 3. The RT, RG, C all combo one. For some unimaginable reason the LT combos one with the LG. The TE (80) is standing there and doesn’t block anyone. I think he was supposed to chip or help with the guy the LT (74) left to go combo the LG with, obviously confused the guy is past him before he could do anything.

That left the RB to try and stop a 300 lb guy with a full head of steam. No matter what he did (and he tried) was he going to be able to.


This....it actually happened multiple times. One time the te got a holding called against him. While the lt stood looking around.

How can every area need improvement? Wide receivers not blocking, linemen blocking the wrong people, a qb who doesn't do much well, DC that can't make adjustments, an oc that doesn't use rbs with a 7 ypc average, special teams that aren't special. To me this is all about the coaching.
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:24 pm to
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It’s on Nick Sheridan. His tweets are protected as of this moment and his play calling is atrocious. Doesn’t help Jalen Milroe is his quarterback. Even with a running quarterback, this is awful. Get them both out of here. They’re terrible.


Yea totally Nick’s fault that the middle of the field was open all night, and ripe for quick slants, but we don’t have a QB that can hit them.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:31 pm to
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Alabama has all of the resources and things that it needs to be successful.


So does UT, Georgia, Texas, A&M, LSU, Ole Miss. They all have similar facilities and financial support. Teams like Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, OU, Mizzou are plenty capable. Bama has a brand advantage...but NIL and free agency basically made it a minimal at best advantage.

The league has never been this good.


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Competing for national championships on a consistent basis. Not losing multiple games a season to average teams.


Its his first season. Shall we once again compare Saban's first season? Kirby's? Sark's? Stallings? Again, lets get to year 2 and 3 before we make judgements
Posted by Freight Joker
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:33 pm to
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The standard is too high for us to lose games to Vandy and an Oklahoma team that wasn’t even bowl eligible going into last night.


People need to forget about “the standard” that existed before NIL.

Its like saying “the standard” is too high for the Chiefs to lose to the Bills, Ravens to lose to the Browns, Eagles to lose to the Falcons, etc.

We are not going to win every game by just being more talented or bigger or stronger. The talent gap has closed, it’s been closed for 3-4 years, and it’s not opening back up any time soon.
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:43 pm to
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Oklahoma rushes 3. The RT, RG, C all combo one. For some unimaginable reason the LT combos one with the LG. The TE (80) is standing there and doesn’t block anyone. I think he was supposed to chip or help with the guy the LT (74) left to go combo the LG with, obviously confused the guy is past him before he could do anything.


Kadyn Proctor (74) at LT has been one of the biggest disappointments and busts on the OL. He has all the measurables but he’s one of those “looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” players. He could have kept himself in Iowa if that’s the best he can do.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
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Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 4:23 pm to
Part of Proctor's problem is that he's fat and out of shape. He seriously needs to drop about 30 lbs to improve his quickness. Pritchett isn't much better. Both of those guys are slow, fat and out of shape.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 4:56 pm to
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People need to forget about “the standard” that existed before NIL.


Truth. Some people probably still think some white knight is going to ride to the rescue and change all this back to the way it was before. Ain’t happening. For better or worse this is college football moving forward.

That doesn’t mean our standards shouldn’t be high but it’s going to be a perpetual battle and struggle to achieve them, and that’s true for everyone not just us.
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 5:48 pm to
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quote:OK, I will ask the same question I did last night: Who’s out there that’s any better than DeBoer? And who’s out there that will take the job if the standard and the expectations are that high? CRICKETS


It’s looking like maybe we should take a look at Cignetti. I know their schedule was Charmin soft, but this guy will win 11 games at Indiana this year. Indiana, the team with the most losses in D1 in NCAA history. Never had a 10 win season until this year. This program is historically bad. So don’t poo-poo his accomplishments categorically, he’s doing something right. I’m not saying he’s definitely the answer and we should fire DeBoer immediately and get him, but it’s a name we should keep in mind if DeBoer can’t turn it around. If Curt Cignetti can win 11 ( a hapless Purdue Saturday will be #11), what can he do with Alabama’s resources?
Posted by biclops
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 5:55 pm to
I failed to identify any offense whatsoever.
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 6:23 pm to
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Its his first season. Shall we once again compare Saban's first season? Kirby's? Sark's? Stallings? Again, lets get to year 2 and 3 before we make judgements



And Sark's first year as a head coach wasn't at Texas, it was at Washington. And he certainly didn't take them to the national championship in his second year.


Also DeBoer built up Fresno State again. They were absolutely horrible for years and he beat UCLA in 2021 with Fresno's roster but Ed O lost to that same UCLA team with LSU's 2021 roster just two years off a national championship. Jeff Tedford helped maintain success at Fresno State and they are still a solid program, thanks mostly to DeBoer.


I'd say right now, just going off this season, DeBoer is much more like Mark Richt than say, Brian Kelly. DeBoer has won most of the big ones but he's dropping games to Vandy and a bad OU. Ray Perkins was kind of like that too. He'd beat #1 Notre Dame and then lose to a shitty Mississippi school, back when they were the definition of mediocrity.

I'd rather have someone who can win the big ones but loses head-scrathers than someone who can't win the big ones like Brian Kelly or Ryan Day.

I'm still happy with DeBoer but he needs to take points early in the game with FGs and quit going for it on 4th down early in a game and losing our momentum with no points to show for it. No one has mentioned that but on the road, it's especially stupid. It fired OU up even more and they were already pumped.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3732 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 6:59 pm to
We will not be hiring any 65-year-old (he’s 63 now) head football coaches.
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