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re: unOFFICIAL Assistant Coaches react to the final play against Michigan
Posted on 1/5/24 at 12:50 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 1/5/24 at 12:50 pm to Funky Tide 8
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looks like there are two unblocked defenders to me. and 77 pretty much overran the guy he was supposed to be block. He didn't even really block him.
In your screenshot, the only player who is not blocked is the one to the left of Milroe, and he overshot the play and left the lane completely open for Milroe to just walk in to the endzone untouched. The video I linked in the OP covers this specifically. Just jump to the 4 minute mark.
Anyone talking about the blocking on the right side of the line is ignoring the fact that the play wasn't going to that side.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 12:54 pm to imjustafatkid
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In your screenshot, the only player who is not blocked is the one to the left of Milroe, and he overshot the play and left the lane completely open for Milroe to just walk in to the endzone untouched. The video I linked in the OP covers this specifically.
it looks to me like the unblocked dude is like two feet from the lane you are talking about, well within range to stop Milroe before he gets to the end zone. And 77 overran the guy he was supposed to block. idk, none of us truly know what could have happened, but to me it doesn't look like Milroe just waltzes into the end zone if he follows Roberts.

Posted on 1/5/24 at 12:57 pm to Funky Tide 8
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idk, none of us truly know what could have happened, but to me it doesn't look like Milroe just waltzes into the end zone if he follows Roberts.
Maybe not, but he obviously doesn't make it into the end zone if he does what he chose to do: run straight into his offensive line.
I absolutely believe Milroe could make that one guy miss. He also had a running back and two blocking receivers to his left so there were far more opportunities to make something happen if he runs that way. It's 4th down, season on the line, do or die. Running straight was the worst possible option.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 1:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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Maybe not, but he obviously doesn't make it into the end zone if he does what he chose to do: run straight into his offensive line.
I broke this down in another thread, but if 81 doesn't let the edge defender reach allll the way across into the middle of the line OR if 74 gets in front of that edge defender, then there is a clear lane to the end zone in the middle of the line. Instead 74 chips a little on the guy that the RG is blocking and then goes to the second level where there is not a soul and doesn't block anyone.
Now, if the play was designed to go left, then it didn't really matter if 81 let that guy crash down, because he was doing him a favor. And it doesn't matter that Proctor blocked no one. I am assuming that it was supposed to go left because Roberts pulled that way, but I believe that Milroe saw a lane in the middle, and committed too soon, and then that edge defender blew up the middle of the line.
At the end of the day, the play call was not good, as Saban admitted, and the bad snap threw things off, and Milroe likely panicked a bit.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 1:27 pm to YStar
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could have called another timeout or had another play to switch to
Whose at fault on this? Having ONE option seemsn like sure failure. Is the staff for " can't think of another play" or QB because "can't think of another play"?
Yes the snap was bad, but almost a consistency so it shouldn't have panicked Milroe necessarily
But if the play is up the middle...why pull the strongest guy on the team. And as for play design...why is Bond running to the corner/right instead of being an option.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 1:51 pm to Funky Tide 8
Our OC is shite, or he is totally hobbled like Daboll was with Hurts. I'm betting its a mixture of both because I know for a FACT that Rees was way down the list when CNS started looking for an OC. I also happened to watch all the games this season, and came away thoroughly unimpressed with just about EVERY ASPECT OF THE ENTIRE OFFENSE. What could we hang our hat on as an offense this year ? Being sacked 6 times ?
Our QB is LIMITED. I looked it up at one point during the season there was ONE other quarterback in the entire league that held the ball longer than Milroe. Do you understand what this means ? He was literally computing everything that he saw slower than EVERY QB IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. lol It is what it is stop being disingenuous.
Do you know who used to get the ball out the fastest of ANY QB in the ENTIRE NFL ? Tom Brady. Year in year out Tom Brady would have the ball out the fastest. Who won the most titles ? Tom Brady. Can any of you extrapolate anything from that without all the "butts" that Mr. Doe was talking about ?
If the opposing DC knows you cant get the ball to certain areas of the field you are much easier to defend, and you become easier to gameplan for.
IF the DC knows you are not likely to adjust away from pressure, or into a hot route that DC will eat your lunch, and we saw that play out ALL SEASON. How much data do you need to witness in real time ? You cant argue with the reality of actual results.
Now this last play - This was the last play called because EXACTLY what the analyst says, "because we cant trust you (milroe) to make a throw into tight areas," "we cant trust you to read the defense," "we HAVE to trust your legs."
Truth.
Ok, as long as you're not a total idiot you understand the play was designed to go left, whether it was optioned or he ran it, it was to the left, ITS THE ONLY REASON YOU PULL YOUR GUARD FOR FRICK SAKE !
77 was in position, the play was a tick late (because of the snap) so our chances were dwindling but 77 was on point, and the analyst here is correct that the defender had slightly overrun the play... there was a chance. (insert dumb and dumber so youre saying theres a chance meme)
If he immediately follows the guard with all his speed and ability personally I think there is at least a coin flip that the play succeeds. There was one defender to beat and 77 would have killed that dude.
So, if he simply at least tries to follow his guard to the ONLY visible green grass on any still frame OR if he options it to the RB then nobody is saying shite about shite. Nobody. But that didn't happen.
Also, if Milroe had the capacity CNS wouldn't need five timeouts to get a "good look," he himself could adjust the offense into a favorable play but that is simply not in Milroe arsenal. Bryce Young could do it as a sophomore, and often did to spite BoB.
Last word, and I created a thread about this after the game... the analyst says at the very end, "this is a pro style program, we need a pro style QB to get the ball to our pro style players."
That's it. STFU with anything else. That's the entire problem in a nutshell. How could the 2020 season see us go in any direction other than that for the foreseeable future ? It was like watching the most purest form of football ever played at Alabama every Saturday. It was truly beautiful.
Last thought- analyst, and fans in attendance said all year receivers were running open, even after holding the ball longer than any other QB in the league Milroe could not see them.
For me this is on Saban. There are simply too many head-scratching bullshite things going on with our personnel and coordinators. Jam and Justice could have had an impact in this game, but weren't given the chance. Kendrick Law zero touches.
Our QB is LIMITED. I looked it up at one point during the season there was ONE other quarterback in the entire league that held the ball longer than Milroe. Do you understand what this means ? He was literally computing everything that he saw slower than EVERY QB IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. lol It is what it is stop being disingenuous.
Do you know who used to get the ball out the fastest of ANY QB in the ENTIRE NFL ? Tom Brady. Year in year out Tom Brady would have the ball out the fastest. Who won the most titles ? Tom Brady. Can any of you extrapolate anything from that without all the "butts" that Mr. Doe was talking about ?
If the opposing DC knows you cant get the ball to certain areas of the field you are much easier to defend, and you become easier to gameplan for.
IF the DC knows you are not likely to adjust away from pressure, or into a hot route that DC will eat your lunch, and we saw that play out ALL SEASON. How much data do you need to witness in real time ? You cant argue with the reality of actual results.
Now this last play - This was the last play called because EXACTLY what the analyst says, "because we cant trust you (milroe) to make a throw into tight areas," "we cant trust you to read the defense," "we HAVE to trust your legs."
Truth.
Ok, as long as you're not a total idiot you understand the play was designed to go left, whether it was optioned or he ran it, it was to the left, ITS THE ONLY REASON YOU PULL YOUR GUARD FOR FRICK SAKE !
77 was in position, the play was a tick late (because of the snap) so our chances were dwindling but 77 was on point, and the analyst here is correct that the defender had slightly overrun the play... there was a chance. (insert dumb and dumber so youre saying theres a chance meme)
If he immediately follows the guard with all his speed and ability personally I think there is at least a coin flip that the play succeeds. There was one defender to beat and 77 would have killed that dude.
So, if he simply at least tries to follow his guard to the ONLY visible green grass on any still frame OR if he options it to the RB then nobody is saying shite about shite. Nobody. But that didn't happen.
Also, if Milroe had the capacity CNS wouldn't need five timeouts to get a "good look," he himself could adjust the offense into a favorable play but that is simply not in Milroe arsenal. Bryce Young could do it as a sophomore, and often did to spite BoB.
Last word, and I created a thread about this after the game... the analyst says at the very end, "this is a pro style program, we need a pro style QB to get the ball to our pro style players."
That's it. STFU with anything else. That's the entire problem in a nutshell. How could the 2020 season see us go in any direction other than that for the foreseeable future ? It was like watching the most purest form of football ever played at Alabama every Saturday. It was truly beautiful.
Last thought- analyst, and fans in attendance said all year receivers were running open, even after holding the ball longer than any other QB in the league Milroe could not see them.
For me this is on Saban. There are simply too many head-scratching bullshite things going on with our personnel and coordinators. Jam and Justice could have had an impact in this game, but weren't given the chance. Kendrick Law zero touches.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 1:55 pm to PowHound
There's a lot of conjecture in there....
Posted on 1/5/24 at 1:59 pm to PowHound
Hard to disagree with most of that.
Its hard for me to remember the last time we committed to running the ball for multiple series in a row, and I can only remember a few times where we committed to running the ball an entire series. And those few times I remember it working very well. When you have two solid veteran RBs and 2 dynamic game-breaking younger guys, that seems like the recipe to run the frick over everyone, but it doesn't seem like we ever get into rhythm anymore, or even try.
and sure our Oline wasn't great this season, but they seemed to run block a whole lot better than pass block, especially by season's end. That would have also helped us in the pass game. I am not a coach, or an Xs and Os guy, and I probably don't know what the hell I am talking about, but I just don't understand it.
Its hard for me to remember the last time we committed to running the ball for multiple series in a row, and I can only remember a few times where we committed to running the ball an entire series. And those few times I remember it working very well. When you have two solid veteran RBs and 2 dynamic game-breaking younger guys, that seems like the recipe to run the frick over everyone, but it doesn't seem like we ever get into rhythm anymore, or even try.
and sure our Oline wasn't great this season, but they seemed to run block a whole lot better than pass block, especially by season's end. That would have also helped us in the pass game. I am not a coach, or an Xs and Os guy, and I probably don't know what the hell I am talking about, but I just don't understand it.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
I'm still not sure it would have succeeded if ran correctly. The Michigan guy that over ran Milroe in the backfield would have had time to adjust and at least attempt to tackle Milroe because Milrow would have to wait on the slow pulling lineman.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:58 pm to Funky Tide 8
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At the end of the day, the play call was not good, as Saban admitted, and the bad snap threw things off, and Milroe likely panicked a bit.
The play call may not have been good, but that's because it's one of only two plays they could call. We can't trust Milroe to throw short passes. He has barely improved in this regard. If he's going to be the QB next season, I hope he's already working on this.
The options were 1) handoff to running back, or 2) QB keeper. I think the QB keeper was the better option because, as happened in the game, this allowed them to split 3 defenders out wide left and open up the lane to the left.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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The play call may not have been good
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The play call may not have been good
It was terrible. I guess you guys will blame Milroe for us not running any end overs with WRs to exploit the edges as well.
We have a very uncreative playcaller who doesn't use the full use of the playbook or the players he has skillsets (not just Milroe).
Notre Dame fans literally celebrated when we took him (remember? Like how we celebrated when Lane took Golding).
The guy brought Buchner in and convinced Saban to give him a start against UCF over Ty Simpson.
It's so obvious but just like Golding and Bill it takes some a few years to finally see the light
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:44 pm to imjustafatkid
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Anyone talking about the blocking on the right side of the line is ignoring the fact that the play wasn't going to that side.
It still matters because Latham got his shite pushed in so bad that milroe tripped over him in the backfield. That play was DOA. Bad play call and bad execution.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:55 pm to bamabonners
Average play call at best. Wasn’t perfectly blocked but if the center isnt a goob and the right tackle doesnt get bitched, he prolly scores.
Assuming the pulling guard makes his block.
The pass to the flat was open and would have been tough to stop unless the wrs just whiffed on their blocks.
Disappointing effort and form from Latham. Nothing else needs to be said about Seth.
Bottom line, no playmakers on the offense or defense made plays. And that is critical in big games. Sometimes even nonplaymakers have to step up and make plays, they didn’t. Will and Burnip were our most valuable players. Same as it was at the beginning of the year.
Assuming the pulling guard makes his block.
The pass to the flat was open and would have been tough to stop unless the wrs just whiffed on their blocks.
Disappointing effort and form from Latham. Nothing else needs to be said about Seth.
Bottom line, no playmakers on the offense or defense made plays. And that is critical in big games. Sometimes even nonplaymakers have to step up and make plays, they didn’t. Will and Burnip were our most valuable players. Same as it was at the beginning of the year.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:57 pm to bamabonners
Milroe didn’t trip over him, he was straight hip checked. I hope our o line gets stronger and quicker and doesn’t just rely on being 350+ pounds of fatass
Posted on 1/5/24 at 6:48 pm to Woody4daTide9
Looking at the last play is pointless without looking at the several key plays in the 4th that could have won us the game that we also didn’t convert. Milroe was a wildly ineffective QB in the game. He ultimately failed to get the ball out to players in space in an accurate and timely manner. The milroe fans will blame the center, the OC, and the bad fans for his poor performance but tell me when a starter didn’t have some adversity to overcome to win a big game?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:15 pm to LucedaleTider
Milroes fumble being the biggest blunder.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:19 pm to imjustafatkid
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These dudes know their stuff
I’m not criticizing their knowledge, I’m criticizing their delivery.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:29 pm to imjustafatkid
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The lane was open to the left. The blocking worked. The play, as designed, would have resulted in a touchdown.
He'd have walked into the endzone untouched.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:33 pm to bamabonners
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It still matters because Latham got his shite pushed in so bad that milroe tripped over him in the backfield.
It doesn't matter one frick because if Milroe had a clean snap and immediately followed the block, Latham's sorry arse could have been pushed back to midfield. It wouldn't have mattered. Milroe wouldn't have been stepping there in that moment.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:12 pm to imjustafatkid
LINK
Another video posted today. Addresses the terrible vision Milroe had all season.
Another video posted today. Addresses the terrible vision Milroe had all season.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 8:14 pm
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