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re: UA Basketball (16-15, 8-10)
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:24 am to The Spleen
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:24 am to The Spleen
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To make it worse, the body language of the team has been dreadful the past 2 games. They look like they've checked out.
This is a repeated issue for recent Bama teams that is just mind-blowing. It would be one thing if all these teams had been sitting at 5-15, but they have all been squarely on the bubble and have all had moments of beating really good teams, yet they inevitably end up playing like a bottom feeder by the end of the season.
The talent is obviously there, but Bama needs an influx of mental toughness.
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
I know one thing, if I were Oats, the first thing I would do when I walked into practice today would be to throw a chair across the gym and scream “The pity party is OVER! You can get your head out of your arse and play hard and play smart or you can watch from the bench and I’ll start 5 walk-ons that will give me maximum effort!”
I’m sick and tired of these mental pussies and their shitty body language. Earlier poster was right, they look like they have checked out. It’s time for a come to Jesus meeting. Check back in or or check out the transfer portal. That goes for Petty and Kira and everyone in a jersey. There’s no excuse for losing because of stupid play, lack of desire, and self pity. I know they think they are trying but when you are feeling sorry for yourself, 100% becomes 75%. We’ve lost 2 games in row because the other team just wanted it more. That’s not on Nate but it is inexcusable. Either play to win or GTFO!
I’m sick and tired of these mental pussies and their shitty body language. Earlier poster was right, they look like they have checked out. It’s time for a come to Jesus meeting. Check back in or or check out the transfer portal. That goes for Petty and Kira and everyone in a jersey. There’s no excuse for losing because of stupid play, lack of desire, and self pity. I know they think they are trying but when you are feeling sorry for yourself, 100% becomes 75%. We’ve lost 2 games in row because the other team just wanted it more. That’s not on Nate but it is inexcusable. Either play to win or GTFO!
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:30 am to phil4bama
Yeah I know we have injuries but it’s pretty frustrating to have double digit first half leads in back to back home games and end up losing them both.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:First, I realize that nothing in sports (nor life!) is 100% certain. Can we call this exuberant optimism?
Not sure what massive influx of manpower you are seeing outside of just adding bodies. If we have a big improvement next year it's going to be mainly on the backs of guys already on the roster, unless you think Quinerly, Rojas, Gary and Ambrose-Hylton are gamechangers.
Hopefully more depth and another year in the system makes everyone more comfortable. Not sure how anybody can say with 100% certainty it absolutely will, though. We'll just have to wait and see.
The additional bodies, including more ball handling ability plus more rebounding ability, added to the experience factor should certainly render us a much more complete team while the increased depth will hopefully stop the numerous 2nd half melt downs that have cost us at least 4 o4 5 games this year.
It's hard playing a run and gun, aggressive defensive style game an entire season with 7 bodies (that's including Galen Smith), and achieve the success our fan base is looking for.
Imo, the players you mentioned don't have to be "game changers", just much needed "game contributors". That's my take for what it's worth.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:51 am to Robot Santa
Even if Kira comes back I think JQ is the starting PG game 1. I think Kira would thrive more at the 2 where he doesn’t have to think as much.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:51 am to Allthatfades
When were turning the ball over 20 to 25 times a game, its apparent the personal Nate has inherited doesn't fit his fast system. So many of our turnovers are unforced, leading to easy fastbreak dunks.
Just like last year & previous seasons, its time to focus on other stuff besides Bama hoops.
To depressing to watch.
Just like last year & previous seasons, its time to focus on other stuff besides Bama hoops.
To depressing to watch.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:53 am to coachcrisp
There’s clearly a bad mindset instilled into the basketball program. Whether it’s the players, the coaches, the fans, who cares? This has been this way for a long time. It isn’t by chance anymore or some “curse”. This is the way it is at Alabama this until the team mans the frick up and stops choking at home at the end of the year. I’m done until we finish a season with 20 wins and a clear tourney bid. All this anticipation in the middle of the year is too much. It’s the same ole shite every season.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:03 am to coachcrisp
I have no earthly idea why people could possibly think our issues are anything other than depth.
Oats plays a 40 minute balls to the wall style on both ends.
We have 13 scholarship players. Quinerly, Rojas, & Gary left us with 10 before the first tip.
Hawkins isn't ready. That's 9.
Herb out indefinitely with broken wrist. That's 8.
Beetle in and out with injury/illness. That's 7.
Our dudes are just tired. That's why we come out playing great and can't close halves and then look terrible in the 2nd half and can't close games.
You can't sustain our system with 7-8 guys on any given night. Tired guys can't shoot. Tired guys can't rebound. Tired guys make mental mistakes. Tired guys foul. It's as simple as that.
Simply having more depth will be a major improvement.
Oats plays a 40 minute balls to the wall style on both ends.
We have 13 scholarship players. Quinerly, Rojas, & Gary left us with 10 before the first tip.
Hawkins isn't ready. That's 9.
Herb out indefinitely with broken wrist. That's 8.
Beetle in and out with injury/illness. That's 7.
Our dudes are just tired. That's why we come out playing great and can't close halves and then look terrible in the 2nd half and can't close games.
You can't sustain our system with 7-8 guys on any given night. Tired guys can't shoot. Tired guys can't rebound. Tired guys make mental mistakes. Tired guys foul. It's as simple as that.
Simply having more depth will be a major improvement.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:06 am to mistaken4193
quote:You may very well be right, but it'll hurt losing Lewis' ability to hustle down with the ball, and come off the top of the key and drive to the rim. If JQ is as good as we hope, maybe it's worth it.
Even if Kira comes back I think JQ is the starting PG game 1. I think Kira would thrive more at the 2 where he doesn’t have to think as much.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:15 am to DLev45
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I have no earthly idea why people could possibly think our issues are anything other than depth.
It's an issue, but turnovers have also been a problem all season, even even before Herb's and Beetle's injuries.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:18 am to DLev45
This basically what I have been saying. Our best players are tuckered out.
Petty has expended so much energy rebounding,playing defense,worrying about leadership that he has lost his offensive mojo. Kira just hasn't matured yet apart from just running out of steam during second halfs.Just need more bodies to share the load.
Only then we'll be able to judge Oats coaching abilities fairly.
But unfortunately in the meantime another season has slipped away. Bang our heads and curse the wretched wind.
Petty has expended so much energy rebounding,playing defense,worrying about leadership that he has lost his offensive mojo. Kira just hasn't matured yet apart from just running out of steam during second halfs.Just need more bodies to share the load.
Only then we'll be able to judge Oats coaching abilities fairly.
But unfortunately in the meantime another season has slipped away. Bang our heads and curse the wretched wind.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:26 am to DLev45
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I have no earthly idea why people could possibly think our issues are anything other than depth.
Depth doesn’t cause stupid, careless turnovers. Depth doesn’t cause stupid fouls. You can have a team of 5 guys out there and still play fundamentally sound basketball.
Making excuses for the last few games is part of the problem. There’s no excuse for the ball we’ve played
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:30 am to Cobrasize
And I think Oats has said as much. There are no excuses, but to move forward.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:31 am to FWBFLlaw
Yup, I’m not blaming Oats. The players are mentally weak and it’s showing. Pride is something that a coach can’t give players
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:39 am to The Spleen
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It's an issue, but turnovers have also been a problem all season, even even before Herb's and Beetle's injuries.
I'm going to do something a bit Gumpy and put this in football terms. Imagine an offense where the WRs are tasked with deciding which routes to run based not on any particular playcall but on the defensive alignment. The QB is thus responsible for making the same reads they do without being able to verbally communicate with them. If he makes a different read than they do, it's going to be an INT. That is pretty much a motion offense in basketball. Everyone reads the defense and takes certain actions in accordance with what they are seeing. If a player takes the wrong action, or the player with the ball anticipates a different action than what the player without the ball actually ends up doing it's going to be turnover after turnover after turnover. Our biggest problem on offense is that Kira and Bolden are the two worst non-Galin decision makers on the entire team while also being tasked with making the most on-ball decisions on the team. They both make piss poor reads all the time, which results in a bunch of idiotic throwaway or dribble into three defenders type turnovers that make you wonder if they're fricking colorblind and can't tell the jerseys apart.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:44 am to Robot Santa
Hawt Take alert...Gumping hard with this one.
We go 3-1 in our next 4......205 BAH GAWD!!
We go 3-1 in our next 4......205 BAH GAWD!!
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:50 am to Cobrasize
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Depth doesn’t cause stupid, careless turnovers. Depth doesn’t cause stupid fouls. You can have a team of 5 guys out there and still play fundamentally sound basketball.
Lack of depth can absolutely contribute to both. Tired players make dumb decisions.
But that excuse doesn't reconcile the turnover problems we've had all season, nor the turnover problems in the 1st half of games when players are fresher.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:02 am to Cobrasize
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I have no earthly idea why people could possibly think our issues are anything other than depth.
Oats plays a 40 minute balls to the wall style on both ends.
We have 13 scholarship players. Quinerly, Rojas, & Gary left us with 10 before the first tip.
Hawkins isn't ready. That's 9.
Herb out indefinitely with broken wrist. That's 8.
Beetle in and out with injury/illness. That's 7.
Our dudes are just tired. That's why we come out playing great and can't close halves and then look terrible in the 2nd half and can't close games.
You can't sustain our system with 7-8 guys on any given night. Tired guys can't shoot. Tired guys can't rebound. Tired guys make mental mistakes. Tired guys foul. It's as simple as that.
Simply having more depth will be a major improvement.
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Depth doesn’t cause stupid, careless turnovers. Depth doesn’t cause stupid fouls. You can have a team of 5 guys out there and still play fundamentally sound basketball.
Making excuses for the last few games is part of the problem. There’s no excuse for the ball we’ve played
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:34 am to DLev45
Want to make sure I understand this stupid meltdown
-Bama hires coach who wants to go Ricky Bobby fast and shoot 3s
-Bama coach inherits team who generall sucks at shooting 3s with limited depth before getting hit with injury bug
-Bama board members meltdown because in SEC grind their 2 key players avg 35+mpg, whose production can't be replaced, aren't carrying the remaining FR / benchwarmers
Ya'll are being stupid. It's like trying to run the triple option offense with AJ McCarron
-Bama hires coach who wants to go Ricky Bobby fast and shoot 3s
-Bama coach inherits team who generall sucks at shooting 3s with limited depth before getting hit with injury bug
-Bama board members meltdown because in SEC grind their 2 key players avg 35+mpg, whose production can't be replaced, aren't carrying the remaining FR / benchwarmers
Ya'll are being stupid. It's like trying to run the triple option offense with AJ McCarron
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:36 am to GenesChin
I agree. We’re gonna be fine. I’m pissed at how we’re playing but Oats is the guy I think
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