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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:53 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:53 pm to CrimsonFever
I think we all understand the points that are coming across in this conversation. Clowney is getting drafted based off his raw potential and his name was put on the map when he showed he could hit 3's consistently when he had that hot streak for about a month. His shooting numbers overall don't jump out at you or would even be considered good but with more development he could become an excellent shooter for his size, which is why scouts are drooling over him and why he's leaving early.
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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More so jump stopping on the drive and shooting from 5-6 feet (either using the backboard or straight on). If a guy has a runner that they trust and the staff thinks they are consistent with, then sure. But mainly jump stopping and either shooting a short shot off 2 feet or jump stopping and throwing an interior pass to a cutter/block guy (like UConn did so well).
Currently, really good and smart defenses (like SDSU) smother us up top and then just sprint to the blocks. They don't feel like they need to defend the middle portion of the floor, and because of that they are able to get back to the rim and get in front and contest shots/take charges more easily. If there is even a smidgen of concern that the opponent might jump stop, you can't just turn and sprint to the rim anymore. You have to actually defend the entire drive with knees bent and sliding, and that gives the offensive player a much better opportunity to get a defender on their hip and finish/draw a foul or make a help defender slide over, which opens up a drop off or a cutter into the lane.
Since it's been brought up--I tried to discuss this early in last years season about the defense not having to honor all areas of the court and how it was an issue.
For example, if you take Q and the game against SDSU, he and others really needed the freedom to use the pull up lane jumper or floater. It would have changed the entire offensive attack for us in that game and others.
I'll probably get slammed for this, but what we've asked from our guards, particularly our points guards, is not the best for player development for the next level. If you look at the successful pro guards (point guards especially), you have to have a strong ability to use the pull up and floater. You can't rely on just making threes and getting to the rim. I hope that we start to give more freedom in that area. It's important in trying to pull the best guards in recruiting and in the portal.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:56 pm to DT55Forever1
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Since it's been brought up--I tried to discuss this early in last years season about the defense not having to honor all areas of the court and how it was an issue.
For example, if you take Q and the game against SDSU, he and others really needed the freedom to use the pull up lane jumper or floater. It would have changed the entire offensive attack for us in that game and others.
I'll probably get slammed for this, but what we've asked from our guards, particularly our points guards, is not the best for player development for the next level. If you look at the successful pro guards (point guards especially), you have to have a strong ability to use the pull up and floater. You can't rely on just making threes and getting to the rim. I hope that we start to give more freedom in that area. It's important in trying to pull the best guards in recruiting and in the portal.
I imagine that we will see more of that, or some variation of a short pullup, implemented next year.
Oats has immediately attacked any clear flaw/issue with his roster, system, program since he has been here and I have no doubt he is going to come up with a counter to the issues he saw at times last year against certain types of defenses (style and length).
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
You can cherry pick whatever stats you like, it doesnt change that Clowney is a one and done about to get drafted in the first round. He is obviously not one of the worst 3 point shooters in the country.
I feel like im taking crazy pills.
I feel like im taking crazy pills.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:57 pm to CrimsonFever
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You can cherry pick whatever stats you like
You don't have to cherry pick, just close your eyes and stick your hand in the stat bucket and pick one of 500 out. They all say the same thing.
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it doesnt change that Clowney is a one and done about to get drafted in the first round
Yea, he's great at a bunch of stuff already (defending, rebounding, finishing at the rim, soft hands, God given athletic gifts, high motor) and has the clear raw ability to become much better at a bunch of other stuff (free throws, long distance shooting, post moves).
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:59 pm to TheNameIsDalton
Right, if you can turn him into a consistent ~35% 3pt shooter, which I don't think is that big of an ask, he's going to make a ton of money playing basketball. Consistency was his big issue. He's got to get to where he sets his feet more instinctively. When he rushed his shot he was pretty bad. When he took it in rhythm he was pretty good. None of that changes the fact that high volume + low % isn't a great combo though.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I am with you on the need for a mid-range or even short jump shot. The system we have been running has the very limitations you mentioned in your post.
I know that Oats like the statistics, but sometimes, statistics don't match reality.
The mid-range shot is like the deep throw in football. You may not connect, but the threat keeps defenses honest.
I know that Oats like the statistics, but sometimes, statistics don't match reality.
The mid-range shot is like the deep throw in football. You may not connect, but the threat keeps defenses honest.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:01 pm to Robot Santa
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Right, if you can turn him into a consistent ~35% 3pt shooter, which I don't think is that big of an ask, he's going to make a ton of money playing basketball. Consistency was his big issue. He's got to get to where he sets his feet more instinctively. When he rushed his shot he was pretty bad. When he took it in rhythm he was pretty good. None of that changes the fact that high volume + low % isn't a great combo though.
Yep - which also helps explains his splits between corner 3s and everything else. Corner 3s he was set and almost always shot off a perfect pocket pass. Other 3s were either pick and pop, kick outs or others where he had a tendency to shuffle his feet or have slight hesitation. That stuff will get fixed with practice and just playing more games.
He shot 34% from the corners and 25% from everywhere else on 3s.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah there’s definitely more to seeing if he is one of the worst 3 point shooters in the country or not than his shooting percentage as a true freshman vs one of the toughest schedules in the country
Anyone who thinks he is a bad shooter is blind.
Anyone who thinks he is a bad shooter is blind.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:03 pm to LovetheLord
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I am with you on the need for a mid-range or even short jump shot. The system we have been running has the very limitations you mentioned in your post.
I know that Oats like the statistics, but sometimes, statistics don't match reality.
The mid-range shot is like the deep throw in football. You may not connect, but the threat keeps defenses honest.
I think there's a big range in "mid-range", too.
Mid-range being inside the paint or within 7 feet, while in rhythm, is much different than a 16 footer off the dribble. I know we keep coming back to UConn, but they are the best example I've seen of marrying what we do to some other stuff that keeps the defense honest and opens your main stuff up more. The only UConn guy who took what most people consider "mid-range" shots was Hawkins, and that's because he was an assassins.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
UConn also seemed to have a lot more ball movement than we had as well. When we did move the ball, we had success. But we also were stuck in too many isolation plays imo.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:08 pm to CrimsonFever
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Yeah there’s definitely more to seeing if he is one of the worst 3 point shooters in the country or not than his shooting percentage as a true freshman vs one of the toughest schedules in the country.
And none of the cherry picked stats said he was very good at it. It's not that big a deal, but it is what it is. He had a great 9 game stretch of outside shooting and other than that was pretty bad.
12/3 to 1/11
- 9 games
- 14/30 (47%)
rest of season
- 25 games
- 20/90 (22%)
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vs one of the toughest schedules in the country.
If you break it out by "tough" opponents vs "easier" opponents, it's actually worse
vs Top 100 teams
- 26 games
- 19/77 (25%)
vs 100+ teams
- 10 games
- 15/43 (35%)
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Now Bediako, he’s one of the worst three point shooters in the country.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:12 pm to Allthatfades
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UConn also seemed to have a lot more ball movement than we had as well. When we did move the ball, we had success. But we also were stuck in too many isolation plays imo
If we bring in Mack and/or use more of the single low post, it will require more ball movement and less iso (5 out iso)
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:22 pm to DT55Forever1
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Cal State Fullerton transfer guard and Omaha Central product Latrell Wrightsell Jr. has cut his list to a top three. He will officially visit Nebraska Friday. Scheduling visits with Minnesota and Alabama for early next week.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:24 pm to CrimsonFever
So we’re in Estrada’s top 4, Wrightsell’s top 3, and Mack’s top 5.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:32 pm to CrimsonFever
If we got Mack and Wrightsell (to go along with Walton) (and Q comes back along with Bediako/Sears), per Torvik's rostercast. Minutes are obviously pretty subjective, but in general pretty interesting.
Torvik - Alabama RosterCast (2023-24)
Torvik - Alabama RosterCast (2023-24)
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Walton 74% at the rim and 50% on corner 3s
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Wrightsell is from Nebraska and theyre one of the three finalists. Not sure if that means anything or not.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
These further solidify a modification to next year's offense. I like it if we can pull in these other guys.
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