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Posted on 3/30/22 at 2:06 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 3/30/22 at 2:06 pm to Robot Santa
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See I'd say it was just the opposite. Shack's biggest weaknesses as a player to me are a lack of athleticism and a lack of playmaking ability, which was really on display last year because of all the transition opportunities he got and fricked up by having neither the ability to score over a defender or the court vision to force the defender to commit to him before passing to a wide open teammate. This year we created fewer turnovers and even when we did JD was usually the one giving it right back on the other end. As a % of his total shots Shack seemed to do more spot up 3pt shooting this year, which is what he is best at.
That does make sense. I was thinking more along the lines of defensively as well as feeling the burden of pressure more offensively.
But you are right, he did much less wild drive to the rim stuff and much more spot up shooting
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 2:07 pm to Chadaristic
Tommy Murr, a guard whose identity is shooting, who shot 21% from 3 at Lipscomb this year LOL
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 2:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Blue italics are guys we've publicly been tied to already. The rest are guys who fit criteria of what we generally look for in players
Here's hoping we are actually in on more guys than this.
We need a secondary point guard and if we pull in Wynter, I think it's going to be a mistake. I think we'd see a lot of the same issues we had with Q this season. A guy struggling from three. The defense is able to sag making it harder for him to get into the paint. When he does get into the paint, he struggles finishing allowing the help defense to play the kick out passing lanes. I think he would be a defensive improvement though. The other option on here is Jaelin and it's just hard to get a good read on the guy.
I'm good with Bridges (Keon clone) and Reeves (similar to Petty), but would like to see some different PG and 2 guard options.
I think we have to be careful not to limit our options. A lot think we have to find a guy LIKE Shack, Q, Keon, etc. We need to find the best guys that can help us win. Some guy may not have the 3pt volume people want, but if the guy can consistently score, plays good defense and is tough minded, that's what we need.
We need a team of guys that are tough minded, coachable and willing to do what it takes to get the job done.
Take a guy like Ty Washington. If he went into the portal, nearly everyone on here would want to pick him up but he's not a high volume 3pt guy (compared to Shack) that we "have" to go after. I'm more interested in getting the right guys than fitting a system.
To clarify, I'm not trying to be negative about your post. I'm just talking about the guys we're after in general.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:09 pm to DT55Forever1
I would love to have Shack back, he’s decent, although not as our #1 scoring option. I’d like a team where Shack is the #3 or #4 option, and we’d be cooking. With grease.
I’m glad Holt is gone, that boy was complete a$$.
I’m glad Holt is gone, that boy was complete a$$.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:14 pm to Teague
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We'll probably replace him with a transfer that is worse in most areas.
Defense is the only real area they can be worse in.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:18 pm to BigBird09
Been on twitter…….Bamafan was really excited to see Holt leave. 
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:22 pm to Robot Santa
What's so crazy is that I said JD needed the right pieces around him to be successful a week or two ago...people got BIG MAD!
Now I hear Shack needed the right pieces around him (which is true) to be successful. Call a spade a spade though...he just wasn't good this season!
Some act like I didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned having the RIGHT PIECES around to be successful.
Shack at best should be the third scoring option. Last season (2020) teams worried about stopping Herb Jones, Jahvon Quinerly, John Petty, and then Shack.
Just thinking out loud though!!
Now I hear Shack needed the right pieces around him (which is true) to be successful. Call a spade a spade though...he just wasn't good this season!
Some act like I didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned having the RIGHT PIECES around to be successful.
Shack at best should be the third scoring option. Last season (2020) teams worried about stopping Herb Jones, Jahvon Quinerly, John Petty, and then Shack.
Just thinking out loud though!!
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:31 pm to Joka2kold
Shack was light years ahead of JD but yea.
Shack was far down the list of why things went south.
Shack was far down the list of why things went south.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:34 pm to Teague
I agree with you about Holt. He had more ability than most on that roster.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:36 pm to IB4bama
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I agree with you about Holt. He had more ability than most on that roster.
*Defensive ability. He was a total zero offensively.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:39 pm to BigBird09
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Defense is the only real area they can be worse in.
They could be worse in rebounding, hustle, and attitude as well. And, like I said, Holt shot well in HS, so there's nothing to say that whoever we bring in won't be a worse shooter than what Holt COULD HAVE BEEN next year. I know everyone loves getting these super great transfers that may or may not pan out, but there's also something to be said for continuity. I mean, I'll be excited to see the new guys, but I've learned to temper my expectations through the years with transfers and jucos. Unless it's a guy that we KNOW really is great, and we don't have to apply a bunch of "just wait until he gets in our system and isn't sitting on the bench at a lower level school because that coach is stupid" caveats to him, I'm taking the wait and see approach.
But, it doesn't matter now, because it looks like he's gone.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:44 pm to mistaken4193
quote:been praying he hits the portal every day since the season ended. Shot 20% overall, 10.5% from deep, scored less than a point per game, and got suspended and posted a Tiktok during our game WHILE he was suspended. He needed to go. He may occasionally play decent defensively and grab a couple rebounds, but besides that we aren’t losing anything. You’d have to completely strike out in the portal to find someone worse than him and I’m 100% willing to take that chance and try to change the culture.
Been on twitter…….Bamafan was really excited to see Holt leave.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:46 pm to McGregor
Missing the entire point!
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:48 pm to Bamafan18
What about Darius Miles?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 3:57 pm to Joka2kold
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What's so crazy is that I said JD needed the right pieces around him to be successful a week or two ago...people got BIG MAD!
JD was a top 15 recruit and "the right pieces" don't matter if you turn the ball over at one of the highest rates in the last decade of SEC basketball. For example, that cross court pass against ND that put the final dagger in our season could have been intended for LeBron and it would have still been one of the dumbest fricking things I've ever seen on a basketball court.
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Now I hear Shack needed the right pieces around him (which is true) to be successful. Call a spade a spade though...he just wasn't good this season
Because Shack isn't good enough to shoulder the load for a good team. He's a secondary scorer. Definitely not a guy who was hyped up as being anything special, much less a one and done lottery pick. He was also a much, much better player than your boy JD was this season. You keep on making those excuses though.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:00 pm to Joka2kold
quote:I feel like he’s 50/50. He has the talent and I feel like could be good for us if he could get his head out of his arse and stop getting suspended. We don’t need players like that on the team. So if he can convince Nate that that won’t be an issue anymore then maybe give him a shot. I just don’t know. Whatever Nate decides on Miles and Gary I’m good with.
What about Darius Miles?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:06 pm to Teague
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And, like I said, Holt shot well in HS, so there's nothing to say that whoever we bring in won't be a worse shooter than what Holt COULD HAVE BEEN next year.
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mean, I'll be excited to see the new guys, but I've learned to temper my expectations through the years with transfers and jucos.
Transfers are a gamble. But so is sticking with a guy that you hope improves. The better gamble is to place the money on the one that was actually good last year.
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we don't have to apply a bunch of "just wait until he gets in our system and isn't sitting on the bench at a lower level school because that coach is stupid" caveats to him, I'm taking the wait and see approach.
If we land a guy not playing at a lower level school, then you may have a point. But I haven't seen any recent evidence suggesting that that might happen. Last guy I can think of where that was the case was Arthur Edwards, who was ironically one of our better transfers
It was more of a risk when immediate eligibility wasn't offered. Now that it is, you go after the players that have proven themselves to be better at the collegiate level than wait on a Freshman who showed zero growth offensively to turn it around.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:06 pm to Bamafan18
I get the impression that they'll both be back based on how few wing type players we have contacted in the portal.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:31 pm to Robot Santa
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Whose scorching hot take is that?
Some random idiot on Twitter, but Oats does follow him.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:34 pm to Chadaristic
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Key NBA Draft Dates:
NBA Early Entry Deadline: 4/24
NBA Draft Combine: 5/16-22
NBA Draft Lottery: 5/17
NCAA Early Entry Withdrawal Deadline: 6/1
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