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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:39 am to
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:39 am to
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yes, even if the frontcourt turns out to be a bit thin compared to bruiser teams like florida the backcourt is more than capable of potentially making up for it. we can still have a very good to great defense

It’s all about finding that magic combination on defense. The absolute worst offense Oats has had at Bama was 33rd in Torvik with Beetle Bolden and Javian Davis playing huge minutes
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:55 am to
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? We played the nation’s two premier caveman basketball teams last year. Beat one and lost on a half court buzzer beater to the other


I'm making the assumption you are referring to UT and Houston. While both play prison ball, neither were exceptionally big (Houston's biggest player who actually got minutes was 6'9). They crowd the shite out of you and play great recovery defense, but it creates holes in their defenses that can be exposed.

Then there was Florida and Duke. They could just paralyze us playing honest defense because the damn length and athleticism at every position eventually just was too much. They would lean on you making you play perfect for as long as you could and then eventually a 5 minute stretch would occur where the game effectively ended when a scoring drought occurred and you could tell we just weren't going to recover.
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 7:56 am
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:42 am to
Their big guards overmatched us.We couldnt drive because their bigs camped out near the basket and if we did beat anyone off the dribble it got rejected altered or just plain stalled.

Our bigs would make for instance Floridas people pay a high price for that. Condon Chineylu and the like will have to play like 3s against us and that aint their strength. On the other hand we will have some serious matchup issues against their size.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 12:53 pm to
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? We played the nation’s two premier caveman basketball teams last year. Beat one and lost on a half court buzzer beater to the other


There are always teams that are physical but not skilled, even mid major teams. That’s not who we’re talking about.

We’re talking about the Dukes and Floridas of last year, the UConns of the previous 2 years, etc. Teams with significant size & strength in the front court and back court, but are also reasonably skilled. Obviously, these are the ones that win championships, but that’s what we are trying to do. Get to the F4 and win a championship.

I will say, we out rebounded a lot of teams last year and won several games due to that. Our front court last year was pretty good on size and strength until we hit FL and Duke, but this year we seem to be taking a step a back in that area. We’ll see how it works out, but I’d be surprised to see us compete with FL this year (our back court and shooting would have to be elite in that game to make up for how we will get dominated on the glass and in the paint).

I hope I’m wrong, but I think this team probably is a minor step back from previous teams and that’s not the end of the world. Hopefully we get hot in March and make a run, but I’m not expecting Bama’s 4th straight E8 out of this team. Aside from how hard that is to do with any team or roster, this one seems to have too many holes to have that as an expectation going into the year IMHO
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 5:02 pm to
We need one more big and I think we'll be fine.
Posted by rushball
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 5:50 pm to
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Their big guards overmatched us.We couldnt drive because their bigs camped out near the basket and if we did beat anyone off the dribble it got rejected altered or just plain stalled.

Our bigs would make for instance Floridas people pay a high price for that. Condon Chineylu and the like will have to play like 3s against us and that aint their strength. On the other hand we will have some serious matchup issues against their size.


bamas offense layed an egg against duke because the spacing and playmaking werent there in that one. in general we relied heavily on sears, youngblood, and aidens shooting to stretch the floor but against an elite D like dukes, when sears and aiden were off there wasnt much to do. the current roster has far more shooting at every position and doesnt even have to play small to stretch the floor to deal with teams like that. sears was great but a recurring frustration about him last season was his tendancy to force drives that werent there. thats the main reason his efficiency dropped off. philon has the keys now and should be better at creating, and well see how aden, jalil, amari, and so on have progressed. i personally wouldnt be surprised if the offense is even better than the previous season.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:48 pm to
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Then there was Florida and Duke.

Maybe tomato tomahto. In my view, it wasn’t physical team. It was teams that looked like NBA squads in the back court. I thought we handled rock fights pretty well (A&M, Houston, Tennessee, etc.). But if teams could take away Sears and Aden, we were done
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:15 pm to
Sears was our go to guy for the last couple of seasons, whos gonna be that scorer on this team?
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:22 pm to
Jalil Bethea
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:42 pm to
Ouch

Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 10:02 pm to
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It was teams that looked like NBA squads in the back court


Beat Rutgers, they had 2 of the expected lottery picks in the backcourt. Handled OK, Texas, and Illinois who all had a projected lottery pick in the backcourt. Beat Houston and other teams that had good guard play but limited front court size.

FL and Duke were the ones that had extreme size in the front court. They dominated us in the paint and on the glass in all 3 matchups (the closest was the FL blowout in SEC tourney, because they played their scrubs for significant minutes in the 2nd half). We got out rebounded by double digits in the 1st FL game and Duke game, and that was with us having a larger and more proven front court last year than we have this year. Those are all just straight facts, not opinions.

Hopefully Sherell and others will step up this year, but I’ll be there watching and cheering either way.
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 10:46 pm
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:17 am to
It'll be more of a collection of guys.

Philon, Latrell, Aden, Houston, Jalil, and Aiden...but

I think Aden Holloway or Labaron Philon will have the opportunity to be the go to guys.

Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:19 am to
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I think Aden Holloway or Labaron Philon will have the opportunity to be the go to guys.


I think that would be very concerning if it were the case. Looking at it from a purely speculative stand point right now, Bethea almost has to be the alpha scorer when you need a guy to take over. Obviously, that's asking a lot from a guy who averaged 7 points a game last year, but it's just the way we are built this year. He's the guy with the highest ceiling and the size and skill to create from 3, midrange and at the basket and draw contact. Can he do that? I have no idea. I think Philon will be a great asset at point, but if we are having to lean on him as the alpha scoring role I think we are probably in a lot of trouble.
Posted by BigFolks6347
Alabama
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:30 am to
I don’t think so. After Brandon Miller we had no idea mark Sears would turn into the all American he turned into. I’d argue Philon showed just as much promise all around in his first season as Mark did his first season. Philon also carried us during the first two months of the year while mark and Aden were both off. We won’t need anyone this year to average 18 or 19 ppg. We’re gonna have games that Philon leads us, but also Aden, Latrell and Bethea. I think becoming too reliant on one player is kind of the reason that Mark regressed his final year. He had so many people telling him he needed to score so much and it affected his game.
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:51 am to
Sears is a natural scorer and a fantastic shooter. He was that pretty much from day 1 (2nd leading scorer behind Miller). Philon, for all his creativity and finishing ability, he's not a quick trigger shooter who just needs a blip to pull up.

Im not saying that we need a 20 ppg a game guy. But when we hit that wall, we need a guy who can create for himself. Can Wrightsell or Aden do it, I don't think so. Can Philon? Sure, but really only through dribble penetration. He isn't a quick twitch shooter.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:13 pm to
Why would it be concerning lol?

That's crazy!

Philon will have the ball in his hands a lot and if he improves his outside shooting then it's game on.

Holloway can score at all three levels, get by anybody, and create his own shot at any given time.

These two guys can absolutely be the go to scorers!
Posted by AbSnopes
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2020
1117 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:28 pm to
Nobody is mentioning Mallette. He is a deadeye shooter, best on the team.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:53 pm to
The step Philon needs to take isn't as much alpha scorer as alpha point guard when we need a basket late in the shot clock.

He needs to be the guy to beat his man and make good decisions using the array of great 3 point shooters surrounding him.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4921 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:09 pm to
What if, could've if, should be....

We don't know what's happening behind scenes and what coach gonna do. We don't know.
Posted by rushball
Member since Apr 2021
279 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:42 pm to
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Beat Rutgers, they had 2 of the expected lottery picks in the backcourt. Handled OK, Texas, and Illinois who all had a projected lottery pick in the backcourt. Beat Houston and other teams that had good guard play but limited front court size.

FL and Duke were the ones that had extreme size in the front court. They dominated us in the paint and on the glass in all 3 matchups (the closest was the FL blowout in SEC tourney, because they played their scrubs for significant minutes in the 2nd half). We got out rebounded by double digits in the 1st FL game and Duke game, and that was with us having a larger and more proven front court last year than we have this year. Those are all just straight facts, not opinions.

Hopefully Sherell and others will step up this year, but I’ll be there watching and cheering either way.


while it certainly helps to have size at every position the premise that thats what it takes to win it all, esp in the frontcourt isnt nearly as set in stone as what youre implying. plenty of championship teams in recent memory didnt have that feature. baylor started essentially 3 pg's and their main center was 6'8. they beat the mess out of that undefeated gonzaga team who did have nba level skill and size at every position. virginia started 3 smaller guards, who werent even athletic and one was 5'9. neither of those villanova teams were very big, but ofcourse all of these teams were still very elite with talent, coaching, chemistry, and two way basketball.

bama last season did have good size but our team defense had struggles, mainly from rotations being a bit slow. mo was the only elite team defender we had, while philon, grant, and when cliff was awake was also solid. then against those teams like florida, duke, and auburn should be included as well the offense wasnt as flowing due to not having the depth of shooting or playmaking needed to deal with them consistently.

not being able to keep mo did create more questions on how the D will look but i would say oats and co did a solid job overall of trying to address the main issues that hurt us last season. we should be quicker, longer, more athletic, better spacing, and honestly while our physicality and depth do remain questions, as far as general size goes i see just as much on this teams frontcourt as last seasons and much more on the perimeter. sherrell is several inches taller than cliff. bowen is just as tall as grant but longer. bristow is taller than mo and reid. williamson is a 7 footer. all of our wings are taller, longer, and more athletic than youngblood and certainly more skilled than jarin so, while i get where the concern is coming from i really just cant find a reason to go along with it as of now.
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