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Posted on 12/30/21 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 1:41 pm to
I think the Net is all based on efficiency metrics. So if you’re favored by 4.5 and win by 5, you shouldn’t see much movement. If you win by 20 or lose by 10, then you’ll see movement. We won by 5 at home, so not going to move the needle much. Beat FL by 10 on the road, and you’ll see us move up. While our record is pretty good and we have a couple good efficiency outcomes (Gonzaga, Miami, etc.), we have a lot of “as expected” games (Houston by 1 at home, bad teams by double digits at home, Drake by a handful, etc.) or even worse outcomes (Iona loss, bad team struggle wins like South AL & Jax St, Memphis route, Davidson “home” loss, etc.). That’s how you end up with a solid record but only above average metrics.

ETA: I use “average” in terms of contenders/Power6, not vs all 300+ teams.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
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Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:08 pm to
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People are also way underestimating the fact that we have thousands of our most rabid fans in Dallas right now because we play in the CFP semis tomorrow afternoon. No so much a problem for Auburn.



Both points can be true. Our home court advantage can be adjusted to make crowd noise a lot more efficient. I was at the Houston game and it was rowdy as hell at points but still felt like I was shouting from another zip code at times.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:28 pm to
People need to understand a couple things: John Fulkerson isn't all that so don't let the media fool you shoot he's not like the center from Florida. Chandler is good but he is very up and down as well. Our guys didn't play well offensively at all but they showed mental toughness when it mattered. JD could of checked out mentally in the first half but he didn't and the same could of been said with Shack. Jimmy Dykes claimed we were taking bad shots but there was about ten clean looks right off the top of my head were we just absolutely missed. They didn't have two players and we didn't either (Miles & Rojas). If Rojas is anywhere near 90 to 95 percent...you will see the difference with the toughness of this team because he WILL be toughest on the court. He will make plays on both ends of the floor.

KEON ELLIS IS A BAD MAN!
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted by TrojanTide
Member since Mar 2021
2203 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:47 pm to
Right now, JD is a 2 year player in my eyes. There is still alooooot of rawness in his game, which isnt a bad thing. He’s got great vision but defensively and with his shooting/wild turnovers at times, unless it’s cleaned up and he goes bonkers for the rest of the year i wouldnt be at all surprised if he returned. The NBA does draft off potential, which he obviously has, but he has more to show me before I think he’s just a draft lock. Might get blown up for this but just my take.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:49 pm to
Holt and Ambrose-Hilton getting those early minutes was odd. Nothing after. Wonder what Miles did?

3 in a row over those bums!

We'll be riding a 17 game home winning streak when Aub rolls into town.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:57 pm to
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Holt and Ambrose-Hilton getting those early minutes was odd. Nothing after. Wonder what Miles did?



KAH got minutes early because Oats was absolutely disgusted after a possession in which we gave up like 3 offensive rebounds over and over.

Miles didn't play because he's been playing like a wet noodle the last week or so, and based on post-game didn't practice any better last week.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:57 pm to
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Right now, JD is a 2 year player in my eyes.


He is college Russell Westbrook. Can’t Shoot, Gets lost of defense, and turns the ball over a lot. Unbelievably athletic and gets by on that.

If he is still here next year It’s gonna be interesting Who starts between him and Bradley
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:58 pm to
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I think the Net is all based on efficiency metrics


Except we're #17 in KenPom

It makes zero sense
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 2:59 pm to
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He is college Russell Westbrook. Can’t Shoot, Gets lost of defense, and turns the ball over a lot. Unbelievably athletic and gets by on that.



Except Russ used to just run straight to the rim and get buckets that way, while turning it over sometimes in the process.

JD isn't even doing that. He's gunshy, not attacking the basket much and his turnovers are timid passes. They gotta get his confidence going again to do what he does.
Posted by IRobbedMyMom
Member since Aug 2019
1004 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:17 pm to
The Russ-JD comparison is quickly debunked when you watch both play. JD’s problem is the lack of spacing in the lineups with two non shooters.
Notice how we went on our runs when Gurley was running the 5 with JD/JQ/Shack/Ellis as the 4 guards.

Gurley or Gary at the 5 allows us to switch everything on defense; we force more turnovers and when we can get out and run with our speed and shooters we’re deadly. I’ve been preaching patience, when they find their identity in conference play this team has f4 potential.

Bediako will be huge in the tournament if we have an off shooting night. We can slow the game down and #buckleup but I honestly prefer the 5 out offense in conference play.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:21 pm to
Everybody has an opinion but to me it's kind a just like SOG said...CONFIDENCE! Despite what people may say about him the one thing I do know is that JD can get buckets if he starts looking for his which he doesn't do that right now. I've been saying it for the longest and that's switch him and JQ. Then tell him to drive the car and don't look back. I think this would flip the switch mentally for JD but that's just my opinion.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:21 pm to
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Except Russ used to just run straight to the rim and get buckets that way, while turning it over sometimes in the process.


I agree. And JD has that ability but he is scared to do it for some reason.

If JD had Russ mentality/confidence(or even Shacks for that matter) he would be really fricking good.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7054 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:26 pm to
Don't look at the last 20 Fla meetings if you want to feel good, it's ugly (4-16?). We did win the last one. And oddly enough, we've won the last 2 of 3 down there (lost the other in 2 OT).

UA 76-70 all-time.

Fla's opponents this year just 61-58 overall.

Posted by IRobbedMyMom
Member since Aug 2019
1004 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:29 pm to
If the NBA draft was today he’d be a millionaire tomorrow. We’re all entitled to our opinions but I think it’s a scheme issue, not a lack of confidence. He flourishes in the open court. He also has a gw putback dunk and block and b2b possessions not too long ago. Timidity is the last of his problems
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:31 pm to
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And oddly enough, we've won the last 2 of 3 down there (lost the other in 2


That 1st game there under Avery was awesome. Jimmie Taylor had like 2 or 3 poster dunks late in that game that were awesome.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:33 pm to
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ut I think it’s a scheme issue, not a lack of confidence


I disagree. He has played 3 games this year aggressively Miami, Gonzaga, and Houston. He was Outstanding in all 3. Every game he isn’t aggresive he has been poor….that’s confidence IMO
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted by IRobbedMyMom
Member since Aug 2019
1004 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:36 pm to
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He has played 3 games this year aggressively Miami, Gonzaga, and Houston. He was Outstanding in all 3. Every game he isn’t aggresive he has been poor….that’s confidence IMo
If you have a confidence stat to back that up then cool. He flourishes in the open court, his skillset isn’t utilized properly when lanes are clogged and the drive and kick is completely shut off. There’s no confidence issue with JD, it’s blasphemous to suggest there is
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7054 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:38 pm to
I'd say he's lacking confidence in pulling the trigger from outside for certain. He wants no part of it at the moment.

Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:40 pm to
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If you have a confidence stat to back that up then cool. He flourishes in the open court, his skillset isn’t utilized properly when lanes are clogged and the drive and kick is completely shut off. There’s no confidence issue with JD, it’s blasphemous to suggest there is


I think we need to start Gurley over Chuck. I like Chuck but he is a lane clogger.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:44 pm to
JD is a much better shooter and passer. I like the player comp though.
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