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Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:11 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:11 pm to mistaken4193
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This isn’t the Flex Bruce thinks it is
Yeah, that’s a bit intellectually dishonest of Bruce. That said, I think some people in this thread are underestimating AU this year. I watched them play against Baylor and parts of games against a few others, and they are going to be a tough matchup for us.
Their defense will cause us serious issues if we aren’t having a good shooting night (they’re way more athletic than Purdue or Creighton). And their shooting is better than it typically has been (although they can still go cold), and our defense isn’t good enough to keep them away from the rim or off the boards. Neither Purdue nor Creighton had truly athletic guards/forwards that could own us 1:1 on the perimeter every trip down the court, and they still got to the rim way too much.
Conference road games are going to be very tough to win this year, which is why I am most upset about our Clemson loss at home. We can’t afford to lose at home this year given our defense. I don’t think Clemson will be as good as people expect in ACC play, and if we give up 1 or 2 more at home in conference play, we could really struggle to get above .500 in the SEC. Believe it or not, I don’t think we’ve seen the worst of our “matchup” problems yet.
All that said, we are seeing more and more talented lower seeds in March for various reasons. 1 seeds are falling more than we’ve seen in a long time, and more and more 3+ seeds are making F4 runs. Talent and good coaching seems to be pretty well spread out these days, so even getting a 7-10 seed isn’t doomsday. I’d take a rematch with a 1 or 2 seed Purdue and feel like we’d have a legit 50% chance to win it. String enough 50% chances together and you’ll eventually win 4 in a row, maybe when you least expect it.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:28 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I’ve basically compared Bama to LSU’s football team as things stand.
Veritably a howitzer on offense and capable of putting up the points needed to win on any given night, but desperately needing to figure something out defensively going forward.
Funny things can happen if you can get to the dance though. Great shooting and not much else can carry you far.
Veritably a howitzer on offense and capable of putting up the points needed to win on any given night, but desperately needing to figure something out defensively going forward.
Funny things can happen if you can get to the dance though. Great shooting and not much else can carry you far.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:41 pm to Bigbens42
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I’ve basically compared Bama to LSU’s football team as things stand.
Hey now, let’s not go THAT far!! We are not in the bottom 20% of D1 on adjusted defense (didn’t look up LSU’s #s, but think they were pretty bad). Think we are still top 50% in adjust D (we’re 105 out of 362, but that probably looks a lot worse if you just include P6).
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:01 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Torvik thinks a little more highly of you than KenPom. Got Alabama 70th.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:23 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I totally agree with you. Auburn is very talented and deep.
Our issue is we aren’t very talented and we have guys having to take roles they shouldn’t have to. I truly would like to know why Quinerly and Burnette left. We only have three guys on our entire team who can create their own shot. That’s a major concern. I dread playing teams who can run up and down the court because we don’t have the athletes this year to do it. Hopefully Oats does a nearly total roster overhaul next year. We wasted scholarships on Walters, Cosby, Parker and Dioubate if he wasn’t gonna play them.
Our issue is we aren’t very talented and we have guys having to take roles they shouldn’t have to. I truly would like to know why Quinerly and Burnette left. We only have three guys on our entire team who can create their own shot. That’s a major concern. I dread playing teams who can run up and down the court because we don’t have the athletes this year to do it. Hopefully Oats does a nearly total roster overhaul next year. We wasted scholarships on Walters, Cosby, Parker and Dioubate if he wasn’t gonna play them.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:31 pm to BigFolks6347
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I totally agree with you. Auburn is very talented and deep. Our issue is we aren’t very talented
We are more talented than Auburn. They dont have any guards as good as Sears or Estrada. Broome is good I’ll give them that.
We have played a much harder schedule than they have. Baylor is the only team theyve played thats in the top 40 on Kenpom and Auburn lost that one. We have played 4 teams in the top 25 on Kenpom, two that are in the top 10, and all 4 of those games were away from home.
We could have easily played Auburns schedule and have one loss or be undefeated but we chose to test ourselves with our out of conference schedule.
Auburn lost to #78 App State which is way worse than any loss we have.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:53 pm to CrimsonFever
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They dont have any guards as good as Sears or Estrada.
I think very highly of our guards actually, especially Aden who was consensus 5* and is coming along just fine. Needs a little more seasoning but the chance to be great is there. And all of them with the exception of Denver, who starts at 2, can effectively get inside and cause havoc.
Bama probably has more “top end” talent but our big advantage is how freaking deep we are. Seen it since App State now since they’re hitting their stride. The 2nd line comes in and our defensive pressure ratchets up to 11, starts forcing TOs and a back and forth game is suddenly opened up in our favor.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:53 pm to CrimsonFever
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Broome is good, but thats about it
This seems to suggest you haven’t watched more than 10-20 minutes of AU Bball.
I hope they implode as much as the next person, but their team is better than last year. They’re currently ranked 14 on offense and 15 on defense, and that’s using Kenpom which was your favorite ratings metric you used to defend Bama’s defense earlier.
When you have a defense as bad as ours, every conference game is lose-able. And with an offense as good as ours, every one is winnable. It’s going to be a frustratingly wild ride this year, but AU has a much more consistent team than we do currently. Their defense will travel to every game with them.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:55 pm to BamaBravesPackers
They have looked good vs bad teams. Like I said they have played one team in the top 40 and lost. They also lost to App State the #78 team.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:56 pm to Chadaristic
Looks like this is going to be a rough season.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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Looks like this is going to be a rough season.
It’s early to say that because Bama’s schedule has been an absolute murderer’s row. If this was, I dunno, Auburn’s or Ole Miss’ schedule I’d be worried, but Bama has 0 “bad” losses insofar.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:05 pm to CrimsonFever
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They have looked good vs bad teams. Like I said they have played one team in the top 40 and lost. They also lost to App State the #78 team.
I don’t want to get argumentative, but you’re talking about how well we played in losses to Purdue and Creighton. AU controlled the Baylor game for the vast majority of the game. Baylor hit some crazy shots to even keep it close for the first 35 minutes, and then AU went ice cold the last 5 minutes. AU physically dominated that game despite losing.
USC and Indiana may not be top 40, but they aren’t cupcakes and AU absolutely handled them. Their schedule has been easier than ours (almost everyone’s is), but it seems you’re not applying your logic consistently.
Edit: and lots of good teams have bad losses like App State. We don’t so far, which is great, but one bad loss doesn’t mean a team is bad. Just means they didn’t take someone seriously and had a bad shooting night.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:14 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I'm not saying Auburn isn't good, I was replying to the guy that was praising Auburn while saying Alabama doesn't have any talent, which is idiotic.
He obvious doesnt understand strength of schedule and that while we have 4 losses, we haven't lost to a team outside the top 25. Auburn has lost to the 78th ranked team.
He obvious doesnt understand strength of schedule and that while we have 4 losses, we haven't lost to a team outside the top 25. Auburn has lost to the 78th ranked team.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:18 pm to CrimsonFever
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Auburn has lost to the 78th ranked team
To be fair that is a Q1 loss.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:22 pm to CrimsonFever
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I was replying to the guy that was praising Auburn while saying Alabama doesn't have any talent, which is idiotic.
I gotcha. Thought you were saying AU was as bad as their team last year (which got an 8 seed). I’m not sure whether Bama or AU has more talent, but I try to ignore outlandish statements that are so clearly false, you’re not sure if the person is trolling or just doesn’t understand basketball. Therefore, I just ignored his “Bama has no talent” comment.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:25 pm to Bigbens42
Yeah it was at App State which is a tough place to play. I think Auburn is good I just think we are good too and have played a harder schedule.
I’d rank the top 4 SEC teams right now as Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama and Auburn right now and thats in no particular order, and the SEC is deep this year, we’re projected to get 9 SEC teams in the tournament according to Lunardi.
I’d rank the top 4 SEC teams right now as Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama and Auburn right now and thats in no particular order, and the SEC is deep this year, we’re projected to get 9 SEC teams in the tournament according to Lunardi.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:30 pm to CrimsonFever
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Yeah it was at App State which is a tough place to play. I think Auburn is good I just think we are good too and have played a harder schedule.
Agreed. Alabama is a good team and the predictives like Torvik and KenPom make that clear.
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I’d rank the top 4 SEC teams right now as Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama and Auburn right now and thats in no particular order.
If you go by the predictives I listed above were the top 2 as of now lol.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:30 pm to Bigbens42
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To be fair that is a Q1 loss.
And by quite a large margin currently. Was surprised to see AU going to App State to be honest, but they’re at 46 in Net and believe they’d have to drop to 76 to even make it a quad 2.
I honestly expect AU to have a say in who wins the SEC this year, and wouldn’t be surprised to see the champ have 4 or even 5 losses this year.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:30 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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which is why I am most upset about our Clemson loss at home. We can’t afford to lose at home this year given our defense. I don’t think Clemson will be as good as people expect in ACC play
I get it. But you need to actually look at who Clemson has played. They currently have the #12 SOS. I think they'll do better then people expect, and finish the season as a ranked team.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:32 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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And by quite a large margin currently. Was surprised to see AU going to App State to be honest, but they’re at 46 in Net and believe they’d have to drop to 76 to even make it a quad 2. I honestly expect AU to have a say in who wins the SEC this year, and wouldn’t be surprised to see the champ have 4 or even 5 losses this year.
It’s a fun era now that we’re both, you know, good. Have to go a long way back to when we had an actual basketball rivalry to speak of. Sonny and Wimp days.
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