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re: Thoughts on the 2023 team?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:54 pm to Marktastic86
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:54 pm to Marktastic86
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Milroe playing a half against Arkansas and having the following week to prepare himself to be the starter doesn't count as being thrown in.
Sure it does. Especially with dipshit BoB at OC.
And we put up 59 points with him at QB between those two games, and we definitely left points on the board against A&M with silly turnovers that can be cleaned up. Texas A&M obviously wasn't a great team last season, but that defense was capable of giving teams problems. See the LSU game. They have 4 and 5 star talent, and Bama is Jimbo's super bowl.
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:00 pm to Bham Bammer
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think everyone jumping off the Milroe train might be a bit premature.
I'm not giving up on him. Rewatching the highlights from Arkansas and A&M last year, it's clear he can make some easy college throws and give the receivers a chance to make a play. My worry is when it comes time to where he has to throw to win a game, can he do it?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:33 pm to Marktastic86
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My worry is when it comes time to where he has to throw to win a game, can he do it?
That’s the question.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:33 pm to Marktastic86
I'm just not convinced Milroe can make consistent accurate throws. Everything else is there, but if you can't consistently throw a 5 yard stop or an open 7 yard out in your sleep then that's a huge problem.
As was previously mentioned, he was entirely hung out to dry by BoB against A&M (though he apparently kept on multiple read options where the hole was massive).
It's hard to overstate how much of a simple, easy to read and defend offense BoB ran. With zero tweaks or motions. It's why I think people will be surprised at how much smoother we are offensively (maybe not "better" in terms of yards overall) with Rees (even without Bryce). Not becaue Rees is some savant, but because we were so simple and ignored so many ways to get easy yards last year that there is nowhere to go but way up. And Rees is universally praised for being very good at that sort of stuff.
As was previously mentioned, he was entirely hung out to dry by BoB against A&M (though he apparently kept on multiple read options where the hole was massive).
It's hard to overstate how much of a simple, easy to read and defend offense BoB ran. With zero tweaks or motions. It's why I think people will be surprised at how much smoother we are offensively (maybe not "better" in terms of yards overall) with Rees (even without Bryce). Not becaue Rees is some savant, but because we were so simple and ignored so many ways to get easy yards last year that there is nowhere to go but way up. And Rees is universally praised for being very good at that sort of stuff.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just thinking about how little motion we ran last year makes me want to vomit.
Poor frickin Bryce. What a hose job he got over 2 years.
Poor frickin Bryce. What a hose job he got over 2 years.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I agree. But tbh, We would get a delay of game penalty if it was much motion involved bc we were barking out protections and changing plays right up til snap it seemed
Whole thing was a shite show
Whole thing was a shite show
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think our offensive skill talent is fine. I dunno if the WRs are bunch of NFL guys talented or not, but I think there are a bunch of upper level SEC talents there.
Based on recruiting rankings yeah absolutely. Based on on field production to this point it's a bunch of JAGs and freshmen though. Maybe they were hampered by the scheme even more than most of us think, but I think my point still stands. There is no one comparable to summer of 2013 Amari Cooper on this roster who we know for a fact is good enough to be able to kinda single handedly elevate an otherwise average QB.
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Running back room is going to be fantastic. The line could be great, but I think floor is solid but inconsistent.
Deep obviously, but none of them have really stood out at this point. Agreed about the OL though. The potential to be really good is there. I thought they improved a lot last year from the Marrone shitshow.
I'm really not sure what is considered so awful about my previous comment. I'm not saying we're definitely going to be terrible, but if the QB play is mediocre and the skill guys produce the same as they did last year we are probably going to lose some games if the defense doesn't improve dramatically.
There are just a lot of relative unknowns with this team. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:34 pm to Robot Santa
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Deep obviously, but none of them have really stood out at this point
Miller hasn't really had the opportunity. By all indications, he is really, really good.
Haynes looked like a seasoned vet SEC starter in the spring game.
McClellan and Williams were coming off of injuries last season, and they be even healthier this season.
I think our running game is going to special this year barring multiple injuries.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:49 pm to Robot Santa
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I'm not saying we're definitely going to be terrible, but if the QB play is mediocre and the skill guys produce the same as they did last year we are probably going to lose some games if the defense doesn't improve dramatically.
There are just a lot of relative unknowns with this team. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
100% agree. The variance for this team between best and worst case scenario is larger than any Alabama team since the first championship.
I so think our RB room is going to be legitimately great. But every other offensive position group has a pretty average floor and a relativity high ceiling. Just a lot of unknowns. Even down to the new coordinators.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 4:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I so think our RB room is going to be legitimately great. But every other offensive position group has a pretty average floor and a relativity high ceiling. Just a lot of unknowns. Even down to the new coordinators.
The WRs, QB, OL, TEs, and defense could also be legit. The talent to be the best team in the country is there. I don't think anyone could reasonably argue otherwise. It's just a question of whether that talent steps up and performs when it matters. As of now, not enough of it has.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 4:21 pm to Robot Santa
Only thing that worries me is getting in a shootout early on until we have got it figured out offensively . Hopefully the defense will be much improved and it will be a moot point . Just not sure our QBs can put up 40 points a game yet
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:17 am to Panthers4life
OK. While that is true, what does it have to do with this season? The QB room is thin. Milroe isn't the guy. He just isn't. He isn't even as good a passer as Blake Sims (a running back), and that's saying A LOT. He also doesn't have Amari Cooper to throw too. And before you say, "Well Sims got us to the playoff and won an SECCG!", Bama won't be playing Missouri in ATL if they do manage to navigate their schedule with 0-1 loss.
My guess is that if Sims had lost the job to Coker, Bama wins back-to-back championships. But hey, all that experience Sims had at being an upperclassmen paid off, right?
What I'm saying is that Milroe isn't as good as Sims was, and somehow he's going to lead us to the playoff?? Not happening.
Either that or an underclassmen with no real experience is going to lead us there? Not happening either.
You'd need a nasty defense to do that, and I'm not sure Bama has a championship caliber defense. We'll see who's right come Sept though. Gonna be a long season methinks.
My guess is that if Sims had lost the job to Coker, Bama wins back-to-back championships. But hey, all that experience Sims had at being an upperclassmen paid off, right?
What I'm saying is that Milroe isn't as good as Sims was, and somehow he's going to lead us to the playoff?? Not happening.
Either that or an underclassmen with no real experience is going to lead us there? Not happening either.
You'd need a nasty defense to do that, and I'm not sure Bama has a championship caliber defense. We'll see who's right come Sept though. Gonna be a long season methinks.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:27 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Bryce Young was a underclassmen with no real experience and lead Alabama to the National Championship Game.
Young was awful in mop up duty in 2020.
Young was awful in mop up duty in 2020.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:14 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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OK. While that is true, what does it have to do with this season? The QB room is thin. Milroe isn't the guy. He just isn't. He isn't even as good a passer as Blake Sims (a running back), and that's saying A LOT. He also doesn't have Amari Cooper to throw too. And before you say, "Well Sims got us to the playoff and won an SECCG!", Bama won't be playing Missouri in ATL if they do manage to navigate their schedule with 0-1 loss.
My guess is that if Sims had lost the job to Coker, Bama wins back-to-back championships. But hey, all that experience Sims had at being an upperclassmen paid off, right?
What I'm saying is that Milroe isn't as good as Sims was, and somehow he's going to lead us to the playoff?? Not happening.
Either that or an underclassmen with no real experience is going to lead us there? Not happening either.
You'd need a nasty defense to do that, and I'm not sure Bama has a championship caliber defense. We'll see who's right come Sept though. Gonna be a long season methinks.
Lots of personal opinion in this post, not many facts.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:18 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Gideon Swashbuckler
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:23 am to Marktastic86
That gif always cracks me up
Milroe is a Ferrari built like a Mack. So much hinges on our OLine regardless who the qb is
Milroe is a Ferrari built like a Mack. So much hinges on our OLine regardless who the qb is
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:00 am to remaster916
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Bryce Young was a underclassmen with no real experience and lead Alabama to the National Championship Game
There isn't 50% of the QB talent and IQ that Bryce had in the entire QB room combined.
That said, Bama can win with less. Whoever wins the lockerroom this fall camp will be the guy.
If it's not Milroe, I really hope he changes positions. Have to find a way to get his skill set on the field.
I really think Bama will come out with a chip on their shoulder this year. A return to punishing the opponent over 4 qtrs and challenging everything is long overdue.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:07 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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The QB room is thin.
You have got to be kidding me. Thin on experience? Yeah. Thin on talent? No.
Ty Simpson: 5-star out of high school
Jalen Milroe: 4-star out of high school
Eli Holstein: 4-star out of high school
Tyler Buchner: 4-star out of high school
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:58 pm to Robot Santa
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Maybe they were hampered by the scheme even more than most of us think, but I think my point still stands.
Well, my opinion is that BoB hamstrung every player on the offense. His philosophy, like SoG said was awful and he refused to adjust. I think we have a WR and RB room loaded with playmakers and we just need someone that can feed them the ball. I fully expect Steele to get back to the basics and not try to be the smartest guy in the stadium every week. We have superior talent, just let them play.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 4:00 pm to remaster916
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Bryce Young
So Milroe is BY now?? Ok.
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