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re: ***The Official Who is our Next OC Thread*** Update in OP Jan 4
Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea, I'd feel fine with BoB, and I think he'd only come here if he decided he wanted the rest of his football career to be spent in college. And, if that is the case, he is going to work his arse off to make it work and show that the 2 impressive years at Penn State were legitimate and he is still a guy who can run a big program.
If he doesn't want to go back to college for good, I'm not sure I see it happening.
I'm not only curious about his interest level, but also how long he'd be apt to stay.
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:55 pm to TidalSurge1
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I'm not only curious about his interest level, but also how long he'd be apt to stay.
I would think that if you hire a guy like that you see it as a 2 year engagement in all likelihood, 3 max.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just heard on the Jay Barker show they said that Bill O'Brien has been at practice and in meetings for the last few days with the team.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I posted this in the other thread, but thought I'd bring it over here.
I wonder how Milwee would do as OC? I know it is pretty risky, and Saban will probably want to go with a more proven person, but he would be an interesting choice as OC for us. Sark apparently thinks a great deal for him, and he definitely knows our current system having been an analyst under Sark here. He might not be a bad choice if O'Brian decides not to take the job. Definitely a gamble though, and I'm sure Saban wants a more proven OC. But it was just a thought.
I wonder how Milwee would do as OC? I know it is pretty risky, and Saban will probably want to go with a more proven person, but he would be an interesting choice as OC for us. Sark apparently thinks a great deal for him, and he definitely knows our current system having been an analyst under Sark here. He might not be a bad choice if O'Brian decides not to take the job. Definitely a gamble though, and I'm sure Saban wants a more proven OC. But it was just a thought.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:28 pm to TD7
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Just heard on the Jay Barker show they said that Bill O'Brien has been at practice and in meetings for the last few days with the team.
I’m a fan of the BoB hire, so this sounds optimistic to me. Didn’t Kiffin spend a week with the team pre-playoffs before he was hired? I know he came in for some consulting work, but I don’t remember specifically if it was the year he was hired.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:29 pm to Bamatab
O’Brian would leave in a heartbeat to go back to the NFL. Would be lucky to stay 2 years IMO.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:29 pm to CaptainMorgan
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I’m a fan of the BoB hire, so this sounds optimistic to me. Didn’t Kiffin spend a week with the team pre-playoffs before he was hired? I know he came in for some consulting work, but I don’t remember specifically if it was the year he was hired.
Same and yes, he did. He did self-scouting stuff and basically told Saban that Nuss was a fool and we had been hamstrung all year (if rumors are to be believed).
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:30 pm to Sebastian
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O’Brian would leave in a heartbeat to go back to the NFL. Would be lucky to stay 2 years IMO.
#1 - I truly don't think he does this unless he's decided he wants to be a college head coach again. If he wanted to be in the NFL he'd hang around and find a OC job (which he would get, probably this offseason).
#2 - Any great OC we hire is going to be gone in 2 years. It is what it is. If they are here more than 3 years then, in all likelihood, they haven't been super impressive.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:32 pm to Sebastian
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Would be lucky to stay 2 years IMO
Any OC that we get that does well will likely only stick around for a couple of years. That's just the reality of where we are right now.
SoG, you beat me to it.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:34 pm to Bamatab
I'd rather be having this same discussion in January 2023 than debating whether our going into his 3rd year OC is good enough to get back to a championship game.
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SoG, you beat me to it.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yep, if we're losing coordinators every couple of years, it means we are killing it on the field. And that is all that matters really.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If BoB is hired, wonder if he'd try to get Tim Kelly somewhere on staff/analyst? Assuming he's dismissed by the next Texans' coach, he's a guy who has followed BoB from back at PSU and guys like Watson are actively campaigning he stay at OC.
These guys do have to be able to recruit somewhat though...
These guys do have to be able to recruit somewhat though...
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:37 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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These guys do have to be able to recruit somewhat though...
I don't know how involved he was in the recruiting operation at Penn State, but given the insane unique aspect of it I have to think he was involved pretty heavily. Considering all their issues (which were as close to SMU levels as we've seen since SMU), they recruited pretty damn well, and they evaluated pretty damn well.
A whole lot of quality players who were key parts of Franklin's first good team were recruited by BoB, quite a few of them non-elite recruits.
Plus, he recruited the hell out of QBs - Hackenburg and McSorely in just 2 classes.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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#1 - I truly don't think he does this unless he's decided he wants to be a college head coach again. If he wanted to be in the NFL he'd hang around and find a OC job (which he would get, probably this offseason).
It’s the only reason the BoB story seems realistic and also why Gase seemed far fetched. BoB did a terrible job managing the roster in Houston and he isn’t going to get that chance again in the NFL, at least not for a very, very long time. If he wants that type of control again, a short stint at Bama as OC seems like a quick turnaround to a college HC position after his success at PSU.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 1:40 pm to CaptainMorgan
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If he wants that type of control again, a short stint at Bama as OC seems like a quick turnaround to a college HC position after his success at PSU.
Yep - it's been a little while so people forget, but what he did at Penn State was incredible. A whole lot of folks thought they'd go 1-11 or 2-10 that first year, and after they lost to Ohio in game 1 it was popular to say they might go 0-12.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 3:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Do not want Gase or BOB. Gase is a nut case, the players don't care for him and he hasn't coached in college since 2002.
BOB would be a better option than Gase but not sure he wants back in the college game and having to recruit. I think he will end up as an OC in the NFL.
Who knows though. I was really against bringing in Sark and Flood. I was definitely wrong with that.
BOB would be a better option than Gase but not sure he wants back in the college game and having to recruit. I think he will end up as an OC in the NFL.
Who knows though. I was really against bringing in Sark and Flood. I was definitely wrong with that.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:57 pm to DT55Forever1
All I know is that I don't want Gase. As HC, his Jets teams were dead LAST in the NFL in total offense two years in a row. Perception is reality as they say.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:07 pm to Chad4Bama
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As HC, his Jets teams were dead LAST in the NFL in total offense two years in a row. Perception is reality as they say.
I'm not disagreeing on Gase in general, but DaBoll's OC tenure in Cleveland was pretty close to as bad (as the actual OC).
Gase, though, seems like an awful fit. Can't imagine that's a real possibility.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:23 pm to CaptainMorgan
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He ruined Ryan Tannehill,
As I've said before, Gase might be the shittiest coach on the planet, but you guys saying this stuff about Tannehill are being ridiculous. Gase didn't ruin him. He barely even coached him. Tannehill was injured pretty much the entire three seasons. He managed to play in 24 of 49 games.
ETA - He played the first 13 and then only 11 of the next 36.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 1/5/21 at 6:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm not disagreeing on Gase in general, but DaBoll's OC tenure in Cleveland was pretty close to as bad (as the actual OC).
I'd never looked it up before, but in 4 years as OC at Cleveland, Miami, and KC his offenses were 29th, 31st, 20th, and 32nd.
The guy has definitely improved.
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