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re: ***The Official Who is our Next OC Thread*** Update in OP Jan 4

Posted on 1/3/21 at 7:58 am to
Posted by BLG
Georgia
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 7:58 am to
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Freeze is making $3 million.


It was reported that Sarkisian's new contract would be 3.5 million per year.

In any event, I suppose Freeze would like to get back to major college football and I doubt his reputation will be restored at Liberty as well as spending some time with Saban. It worked for Kiffin and Sarkisian

I doubt Saban is checking message boards anyway, so a moot point
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 8:01 am
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:01 am to
Not about pay for Freeze. It’s about opportunity. He can keep churning out 9 win seasons at Liberty and eventually get a shot he likes. But it’s going to take an AD willing to take some stink for hiring him.

He could come to Alabama and have two good seasons and all the sudden he looks rehabbed and much more acceptable to AD’s everywhere.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:02 am to
I don't think the SEC would even allow Freezes.

If he came he wouldn't spend more than a year and would be looking for SEC HC openings.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:09 am to
We're about to learn how Nick views Major Applewhite as a OC.

Jim McElwain is making less than a million so he might want another shot at a title
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 8:11 am
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:09 am to
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He could come to Alabama and have two good seasons and all the sudden he looks rehabbed and much more acceptable to AD’s everywhere.




that, exactly
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:12 am to
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If y’all ever divorce let me know



I audibly LOLd
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:13 am to
I don't think it's a question of money or interest on Freeze's part. I mean he obviously doesn't want to be at fricking Liberty a day longer than he has to be. I don't think we would be allowed to hire him. Sankey seems pretty much dead set against Freeze being in the SEC, and for good reason. Ole Miss got punished for a small fraction of all the shite he was pulling while he was there and the whole arranging for meetups with prostitutes on his public university provided phone was blackmail and point shaving waiting to happen. If anyone is ever allowed to hire him it'd be Saban, but I just don't see it being a realistic possibility for a number of reasons.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:14 am to
I don’t think the SEC legally could have a say at this point. They might not like it but that’s about the extent.
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:19 am to
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I don’t think the SEC legally could have a say at this point. They might not like it but that’s about the extent.


This isn't true. We tried to get Freeze as an analyst and the conference stepped in to kill that.

I mean even Aubie didn't interview.

Not even an interview.

Very powerful people high up have it out for Freeze so he won't be around for a while

Also the last thing I want us to do is use Saban's goodwill to get him back in the SEC, than him to snake us after a season and jump to rocky top.
Posted by Sebastian
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:24 am to
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That’s what I thought about Lance Thompson but he’s been hired like seventeen times now
Lance was a stud recruiter back in the day. He must not be on par as a coach or he wouldn't be jumping around so much I guess.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:26 am to
I said legally. Explain to me what legal standing Sankey has to block Freeze from working in the SEC.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:30 am to
I don’t think football players are the only thing he recruits which also probably explains his jumping around. Lots of baggage there.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:33 am to
Sankey has no authority over UA staffing decisions. What he does have is the threat of doing nothing to step in and stop the inevitable investigation the NCAA finds an excuse to start into the next P-5 program that employs Brother Hugh. They don't give a shite about him cheating at Liberty. Those kids are punishing themselves enough by going to Liberty. They do give a shite about him cheating at an SEC school though and they'll be up that school's arse 24/7 until they find something to pin on him and give him a show cause.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:37 am to
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Those kids are punishing themselves enough by going to Liberty.


Don't knock 'em. Liberty's facilities would put a lot of P5 universities to shame. The leadership at that school has made the commitment to establish itself as a football power. They are pouring a lot of money into that program. I'm not saying Liberty is the next Miami or anything, but they certainly want to be.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:39 am to
You think Sankey would do that to his biggest breadwinner? I highly doubt that.

They already gave him a show cause.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 8:40 am
Posted by Crimson77
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:39 am to
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I said legally. Explain to me what legal standing Sankey has to block Freeze from working in the SEC.


Hi. Actual Plaintiff’s employment lawyer here (finally something I have “insider” knowledge on). This will depend heavily on what the contracts between UA and the SEC actually say. That will define the scope of authority that Sankey has to influence hires.

Without knowing that, it’s easier to look at it like one corporation. Let’s say Saban is a department head and Sankey is CEO. Sankey can block a hire for any reason that is not explicitly illegal. Most illegal hiring practices would involve discrimination of a protected class: race, gender, age, disability, etc. None of those are at issue here. “Partied with strippers during former stint with company” is not a protected class that Sankey would be prevented from denying employment based on. Sankey could block a hire because he didn’t like a guy’s shirt.

I’d also be interested to see what Freeze’s paperwork around the end of his employment in the SEC says. It’s possible something in there would contractually bar the SEC from holding previous wrongs against him after a certain amount of time.

Of course this is just the analysis of what can be done, not what should be done. Even if Freeze could be hired over the SEC’s objections, that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily worth creating resentment in the league office.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:41 am to
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I said legally. Explain to me what legal standing Sankey has to block Freeze from working in the SEC.




I certainly doubt there it has anything to do with legality, and I doubt the SEC office would have a problem with Freeze being an assistant coach, but if they did, then the issue is that you don't want to piss off the SEC office. Right or wrong, they could make trouble.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
15286 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:44 am to
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Without knowing that, it’s easier to look at it like one corporation. Let’s say Saban is a department head and Sankey is CEO. Sankey can block a hire for any reason that is not explicitly illegal.

I don’t know the ins and outs but I would be shocked if it worked that way.

I understand Sankey can have his preferences and I also get that all the schools pretty much will agree to that but I’m just saying it’s not binding. I agree you probably don’t want to piss off your commissioner but if there’s anyone who could do it at this point Without much concern it’s probably Alabama football.

Hell, I don’t even want Freeze but it’s an interesting conversation.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
45370 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:54 am to
No amount of money dedicated to facilities can make up for the fact that you're playing football at a G-5 school with a "culture" like Liberty. The administration there probably looks the other way a lot for the football team just like they do for each other, but going to Liberty as anything short of an extremely conservative Christian would be like going to BYU as a non-Mormon. If that's not your normal lifestyle it'd be fricking miserable.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11618 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 9:06 am to
To put it succinctly, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you and in this case, it is mutual. Alabama needs the SEC and the SEC needs Alabama. Why spend all of your good will Saban and Alabama have acquired over the years just to bring in an OC that is very good but has more baggage than Gucci? Freeze is a POS and certainly not worth the trouble and not worth pissing off Sankey and the league office.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 9:08 am
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