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Triple Daves
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The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
Let's go ahead and start breaking down our next OC. Definitely a wait and see hire.

PROS
- I don't buy into the general notion of "well he was a Patriots coach", because that has proven to be a grab bag of results. However, the poorly kept secret that he is Josh McDaniel's successor at least gives me reason to believe Belichik likes his mind and abilities.
- He seems to want to implement spread ideas into a traditional pro-style system.
- He is committed to running the football.
- He has been universally praised for his ability to get the most out of receivers and tight ends during his time in New England

CONS
- his numbers, regardless of situations, are at best mediocre and at worst ugly
- his only collegiate experience is as a grad assistant at William & Mary and with Saban at Michigan State in the late 1990s
- if he is truly the heir to the throne of Patriots OC, is he going to be gone in 12 months with Josh McDaniels takes the Colts/Texans/Jets/Bears job?

QUESTIONS
- how will what he does translate to our current crop of QBs?
- how will he relate to 19 year olds after a decade of dealing with grown men?
- is he a good play caller?
- is the system going to implement QB runs? is it going to be fast? will it look like what the Patriots currently do or more like a 1-back west coast style?

I feel like I'm cautiously optimistic, but there is definitely a lot of unknown here.

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Teague
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
I don't know shite about him, or the NFL, but I like the hire. Looks like we're not planning to get too stupid with the offense.


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bamasgot13
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
You left off a PRO:
Bama has the financial resources to make the job at least tempting to virtually any candidate they want, but Saban has decided this is the guy for this team given what is on campus and what he wishes to accomplish. That endorsement from Saban carries a lot of weight as he has earned benefit of the doubt with me.

You left off a CON:
he basically hired Bill Burr's heavier younger brother and I'll never be able to look at him without being reminded of Bill Burr jokes and, thus, I'll be distracted.

Image: http://www.chiefsgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Brian-Daboll.jpg

Image: http://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bill-burr.jpg


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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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- He is committed to running the football.


Run. Da. Boll.

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- if he is truly the heir to the throne of Patriots OC, is he going to be gone in 12 months with Josh McDaniels takes the Colts/Texans/Jets/Bears job?


This doesn't bother me one bit. If he does a great job and it lands us another national championship, I could care less how long he stays. Plus, we'd get to do this all over again next offseason. I like coaching searches as long as it's not Saban leaving.

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- how will he relate to 19 year olds after a decade of dealing with grown men?


It worked out well for Pete Carroll coming from the NFL to USCw.



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Bamadoc
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
PRO he is coming off SB win. He will have our kids'attention from jump. Kids like shiny things like a SB ring.

He will have the best talent, and unlike Kiffin, he will have QB stable to choose from.


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MagillaGuerilla
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
Someone tell him he's got a little shite on his chin.

David Cross barely pulls that off...


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Gary Busey
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
We hire a guy who specializes in TEs the season after OJ Howard graduates


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LSU12223
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
Has saban actually hired him yet or are they still negotiating


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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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He is committed to running the football.


Don't give a shite about this unless he can teach Hurts to throw the ball beyond the line of scrimmage first. If Hurts can only hand it off or run with it himself, then we're worse off than before.


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- his numbers, regardless of situations, are at best mediocre and at worst ugly


Yes, especially his passing offense which doesn't give me confidence about the point above.


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if he is truly the heir to the throne of Patriots OC, is he going to be gone in 12 months with Josh McDaniels takes the Colts/Texans/Jets/Bears job?


Yes, he most likely will be gone in one year.


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- how will what he does translate to our current crop of QBs?


That's the million dollar questions.
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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Don't give a shite about this unless he can teach Hurts to throw the ball beyond the line of scrimmage first. If Hurts can only hand it off or run with it himself, then we're worse off than before.




Hurts completed plenty of passes beyond the LOS last year. Did he have the freshman yips towards the end of the season? Sure, but that was to be expected. Most QBs make their biggest leaps from year one to year two.




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Huddie Leadbetter
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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Don't give a shite about this unless he can teach Hurts to throw the ball beyond the line of scrimmage first. If Hurts can only hand it off or run with it himself, then we're worse off than before.



That implies that Hurts wasn't good throwing the ball, so not sure how that would be worse than before, unless Hurts actually regresses, which I doubt will be the case.
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
A few interesting tidbits

Will the Browns Implement the Hybrid Offense - Bleacher Report, May 7 2010

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From William & Mary, Daboll moved on to a coveted graduate assistant position with Nick Saban's Michigan state coaching staff in 1998. Saban had previously served as an assistant to Bill Belichick in Cleveland.

While at Michigan State, Daboll apparently impressed Saban, because he recommended Daboll to Belichick when the NFL coach was looking for a defensive assistant in 2000. Eric Mangini was the defensive backs coach when Daboll came to New England.



Daboll Meets the Cleveland Media - 2009

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(On where he takes his offensive principles from) - "That's a good question. I've learned offense from a couple different people. I've been in this league for about 10 years. Some of it is from Charlie (Weis), some of it is from Brian Schottenheimer, some from Bill Callahan, Dante Scarnecchia, Tater (Carl) Smith; there is a lot of guys. Our offense is kind of a conglomeration of a lot of different things. They are the things that we believe in as coaches on this staff to make up the Browns offense."


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(On what he likes about the quarterbacks) - "The things I like about them are basically the things I've been talking about. They are smart, tough, competitive, and they can both throw the football. What we are looking for at the quarterback position is someone who can get into the huddle, call the football play, get the people lined up, understand where to make the Mike points, understand when they are hot sight, the whole mechanics of the huddle operation. The next thing is decision making and who can perform the best under pressure. Right now we have been out there without any pads on. The situations that we have presented them are that we have been trying to put as much pressure situations as we can, but when the pads come on that will kind of sort itself out."


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(On if offensive penalties are a reflection of the quarterback) - "I think it's a reflection of the entire unit. It will start with me and it will permeate throughout the rest of the guys on offense. That just goes back to the goals I said earlier, we are going to be smart, we are going to be tough and we are going to be competitive. The players that give us the best chance to do that will be the ones out there playing."


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(On what he tells the quarterbacks) - "I tell them to be smart with the football, make good decisions, be good in the pocket and be an accurate passer. That's not going to change for the quarterback spot."




Brian Daboll brings New Energy, New Approach - Sun-Sentinel, September 2011

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He has done so, in part, with a lively, hands-on style. Daboll is loud. He freely slaps players' backsides. He yells. He celebrates big plays in practices with a loud scream. Once, during training camp, he dropped back into pass coverage during a drill with his wide receivers.



Brian Daboll Brings Different Attitutde - MassLive, May 2014

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“It’s a different style than I’m used to, but very energetic, very in-your-face,” Hoomanawanui said. “He’s going to get the best out of you. He’s been around for a long time and coached a lot of great players, so we’re all excited about having him.”




Change in Offensive Philosophy could be difference for Henne - July 2011

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That will change under new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, who will coach Henne to a breakout season and get the offense back on track.

On the surface, that statement would appear idiotic based on Daboll's struggles as the Cleveland Browns' play-caller for two seasons. Daboll directed a unit that averaged 16.1 points per game, a number that portrays an offense that struggled in all areas.

However, it was the surprising play of rookie quarterback Colt McCoy in 2010 that should encourage Dolphins fans. McCoy's success can be attributed to Daboll tailoring his system to fit his quarterback's game.



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Daboll has talked about installing a quarterback-friendly system in Miami that is built around the talent already on the roster. This system would grant Henne the freedom to make checks and adjustments at the line, while also featuring a variety of formations, shifts and personnel groupings designed to create mismatches.


Henne was having a decent year (the best Pass Rating of his career, 79.0) under Daboll until he dislocated his shoulder in early October and missed the rest of the season.

Matt Moore came in for him and finished with the 12th best passer rating in the league.
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Triple Daves
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
Also, from an article on January 3rd, 2017 from CSN NE, who tackled the idea of if Chip Kelly might end up in New England (from early January) if McDaniels left.

quote:

"No, that's not happening," Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald told Toucher & Rich on Tuesday morning. "For a number of reasons.

"One, [the Patriots] been grooming Brian Daboll to get [the offensive-coordinator's job in anticipation of] the inevitable departure of Josh McDaniels, and Daboll can run the same system that's been in place since, basically, [former offensive coordinator] Charlie Weis came here (in 2000) and installed it . . .

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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
From reading more from Patriots people when it sounded like McDaniels would leave......Daboll was 100% the guy that was going to take over. That really isn't in question. And, secondly, he was being groomed and prepared to take over and continue running the stuff that McDaniels (and before him Charlie Weiss) ran in New England.

Here is a great breakdown (interestingly enough from Wikipedia) of the Patriot offensive philosophy (The Erhardt-Perkins system, yes Ray Perkins).

Patriot Offensive Strategy - The Erhardt Perkins System

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The Erhardt - Perkins system traditionally had a reputation (whether or not earned) of being a traditional smash mouth offense that maximizes a team's time of possession and does not as frequently call upon its running backs to serve as receivers.
(funny because James White had 456 catches in the Super Bowl, but I digress)

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This offense traditionally used the run to set up the pass via play-action passing, faking the run in order to throw deep downfield when the defense is least expecting it. Despite its earlier reputation, this system is no longer a run first offense. Erhardt commonly ran the system in his later years spread wide open with multiple receivers (earning the moniker "Air Erhardt"), as NFL rules evolved to benefit the passing game. As a result of this influence, the Patriots will frequently run this offense with five potential receivers and an empty backfield should a favorable matchup present itself or as a function of available personnel.


Summer School: The simple marvels of the Erhardt-Perkins Offense (Big Blue View)

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Another benefit of the Erhardt-Perkins system is that you can use the same personnel in multiple ways. You can split a running back out wide and the play call doesn't change. The tight end can motion into the slot and the play call doesn't change. Line up with three tight-ends and two running backs, split them all out wide, call out two words, and boom -?? new play. The Erhardt-Perkins offense gives teams a lot of flexibility to teams with dynamic personnel.


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The original concepts of this offense looked like a ground-and-pound run-based playbook. The phrase "Pass to score, run to win" was often associated with the Erhardt-Perkins style. The simple terminology for receivers on the outside stemmed from their secondary importance to the overall offense. In later years, these ideas were taken and flipped when teams discovered that the simple terminology actually enhanced the passing game rather than putting it on the back burner.


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The QB only has to remember the shape of the route combinations to understand the play, regardless of personnel in the huddle. Add to this the ability to run the ball out of any of these plays, and the offense can easily run the same play multiple times in a series with minimal worry. The simplicity gives the offense a huge advantage in no-huddle situations, while also maintaining disguises when they want to substitute personnel. When run effectively, the Erhardt-Perkins scheme can be deadly.





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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
So, in conclusion, I think Saban identified the Patriots system as the perfect mesh of power running, explosive passing and the ability to create mismatches, while still being able to control time of possession.

He couldn't hire Josh McDaniels (also, remember we had Charlie Weiss in multiple times for visits and his son was a GA), so he found the next two guys in line (Godsey and Daboll) and he picked the one he liked more.
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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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So, in conclusion, I think Saban identified the Patriots system as the perfect mesh of power running, explosive passing and the ability to create mismatches, while still being able to control time of possession.

He couldn't hire Josh McDaniels, so he found the next two guys in line (Godsey and Daboll) and he picked the one he liked more.


I think you nailed it, honestly.


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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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I think you nailed it, honestly.


I love the philosophical decision, and at this point I feel pretty certain that Saban and Belichick had some serious discussions in which Belichick told Saban he had total faith and confidence in Deboll to run that offense.

Now, does that mean he'll do it well? Nope. But, I can't think of another football person's recommendation (serious recommendation, not just a "oh we love him he'll do great cause he's our guy") that I'd rather have. And, he was 100% going to hire him if McDaniels left, so it's not just window dressing. Belichick trusted him too.

I'm really interested to see what everything looks like.


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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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So, in conclusion, I think Saban identified the Patriots system as the perfect mesh of power running, explosive passing and the ability to create mismatches, while still being able to control time of possession.


Great....now if we could only find a Tom Brady to run it.


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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
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Great....now if we could only find a Tom Brady to run it.


Same offense made Matt Cassell a millionaire and is about make Jimmy Garroppolo one too.

It'd be nice to have a Tom Brady, but it isn't required.

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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
thanks for the links


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